Oh I just mean conscientiously I avoid using language as an insult like cuck or simp or soy boy, even ironically, because the right's trying to make that shit bad. There ain't nothing wrong with being a cuck. I know there are some spaces that ban the word stupid, which is ill-considered in my opinion, but I definitely think it's bad to use their insults as our insults.
I don't like these words either much. It's definitely something socialists should be conscious of, but also, the people in this space should be taught how strategically playing into certain things is beneficial for our ability to be a space that appeals to those groups and then radicalises them leftwards.
I completely agree on not banning ableism too, even though I strongly dislike ableism. I don't think it's a battle that can be fought or won in society for a decade, in much the same way trans people had to wait for their time to come in order for their battle to really start raging, and over-policing is a method socialist communities are simply alienating the workers from their spaces.
We need to not alienate the workers. We need to attract them and then radicalise them.
I mean, I do think there are certain terms that are ableist that we should not use that are not just impolite. I refuse to say the r-word, for example, and the term cripple isn't great when used as a noun. In general I'm bothered by a focus on intelligence as being a driver for validity, and I think we would be good to shy away from that.
I prefer education over banning it. But honestly I don't think workers are as bad about this as so-called educated leftists tend to be. My brother was more successful convincing his steel mill coworkers to not call gay guys the f-word than I have been telling straight cis leftists to stop saying the r-word, honestly.
There's been an edgy resurgence of it, and I don't know why. It did fade for a time, but it's come back. It feels to me like sort of a culture war thing.
In real life maybe but there were so many struggle sessions on the subreddit where telling people not to use it was the entire reason the left is losing
Yeah I call people out on r-word too, but while I actively try to police myself on things like "dumb" and "stupid" (badly, I'm not perfect) I see it as a battle that will alienate when we need to be throwing our doors open.
It's definitely a battle that needs to be fought, but certain spaces like this one should be intentionally aiming for a zone that still attracts the imperfect. The spaces that are socialist-only that do police these words will bring people towards being anti-ableist as they move through the pipeline.
My brother was more successful convincing his steel mill coworkers to not call gay guys the f-word than I have been telling straight cis leftists to stop saying the r-word, honestly.
I think this is a case of having the right kind of person speaking in the right kind of ways to reach this kind of group of people. You need people that walk the walk in those crowds in order to reach them, when you have that it's incredibly easy to get the message through.
We really do need a word for someone who seems to be a congenital awful idea generator (Regardless of intelligence or learning disability), and Stupid despite its unfortunate past seems to work for that until a better one comes up that doesn't sound like a Shakspearean insult.
I agree, but my goal is to find a word or phrase to identify why their ideas suck without it being based on their intelligence or cognitive abilities. Often selfish or shitty is what I go to, but it doesn't encapsulate things well.
Cause the point is to hurt the Chud, and the Chud's not read The Illiad. I need something that's sharp and immediate. Shithead is ok, but not quite insulting enough.
Oh my god he so is! Let's go take back my brother's wife, who may have left of her own accord, even if it means a generation of war. Then let's go ahead and kill my daughter so that we can have good winds for our voyage to the aforementioned protracted war. And now let's kidnap this girl who is the daughter of a priest of Apollo and I'll rape her all the time, because there's no way that could go poorly. Oh, I had to give her back to her father to stop Apollo from killing everyone with a plague? Better take Achilles' rape slave then, there's no way he'll get pissed off about that. Oh wait, he stopped fighting in this useless fucking war and now the Trojans are winning all of a sudden? Whoops, better convince Patroclus to don Achilles' armor to make the Trojans afraid (that might actually have been Odysseus' idea, it's been a while since I read the Iliad). Oh, Patroclus is dead and Achilles has gone mad with grief and is dragging Hektor's body around behind his chariot? Fucking oops.
And then at the end Agamemnon goes home and gets wrapped in a curtain and stabbed to death by his pissed-off wife who I think was also cheating on him, because who the fuck wouldn't when your dumbass husband goes to war for ten years for basically no reason?
Oh I just mean conscientiously I avoid using language as an insult like cuck or simp or soy boy, even ironically, because the right's trying to make that shit bad. There ain't nothing wrong with being a cuck. I know there are some spaces that ban the word stupid, which is ill-considered in my opinion, but I definitely think it's bad to use their insults as our insults.
I don't like these words either much. It's definitely something socialists should be conscious of, but also, the people in this space should be taught how strategically playing into certain things is beneficial for our ability to be a space that appeals to those groups and then radicalises them leftwards.
I completely agree on not banning ableism too, even though I strongly dislike ableism. I don't think it's a battle that can be fought or won in society for a decade, in much the same way trans people had to wait for their time to come in order for their battle to really start raging, and over-policing is a method socialist communities are simply alienating the workers from their spaces.
We need to not alienate the workers. We need to attract them and then radicalise them.
I mean, I do think there are certain terms that are ableist that we should not use that are not just impolite. I refuse to say the r-word, for example, and the term cripple isn't great when used as a noun. In general I'm bothered by a focus on intelligence as being a driver for validity, and I think we would be good to shy away from that.
I prefer education over banning it. But honestly I don't think workers are as bad about this as so-called educated leftists tend to be. My brother was more successful convincing his steel mill coworkers to not call gay guys the f-word than I have been telling straight cis leftists to stop saying the r-word, honestly.
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There's been an edgy resurgence of it, and I don't know why. It did fade for a time, but it's come back. It feels to me like sort of a culture war thing.
In real life maybe but there were so many struggle sessions on the subreddit where telling people not to use it was the entire reason the left is losing
Yeah I call people out on r-word too, but while I actively try to police myself on things like "dumb" and "stupid" (badly, I'm not perfect) I see it as a battle that will alienate when we need to be throwing our doors open.
It's definitely a battle that needs to be fought, but certain spaces like this one should be intentionally aiming for a zone that still attracts the imperfect. The spaces that are socialist-only that do police these words will bring people towards being anti-ableist as they move through the pipeline.
I think this is a case of having the right kind of person speaking in the right kind of ways to reach this kind of group of people. You need people that walk the walk in those crowds in order to reach them, when you have that it's incredibly easy to get the message through.
We really do need a word for someone who seems to be a congenital awful idea generator (Regardless of intelligence or learning disability), and Stupid despite its unfortunate past seems to work for that until a better one comes up that doesn't sound like a Shakspearean insult.
I agree, but my goal is to find a word or phrase to identify why their ideas suck without it being based on their intelligence or cognitive abilities. Often selfish or shitty is what I go to, but it doesn't encapsulate things well.
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shit head
why not use the more verbose version? it's kinda funny and more descriptive than stupid.
Cause the point is to hurt the Chud, and the Chud's not read The Illiad. I need something that's sharp and immediate. Shithead is ok, but not quite insulting enough.
does, "congenital awful idea generator" come from the illiad?
Basically King Agamemnon.
Oh my god he so is! Let's go take back my brother's wife, who may have left of her own accord, even if it means a generation of war. Then let's go ahead and kill my daughter so that we can have good winds for our voyage to the aforementioned protracted war. And now let's kidnap this girl who is the daughter of a priest of Apollo and I'll rape her all the time, because there's no way that could go poorly. Oh, I had to give her back to her father to stop Apollo from killing everyone with a plague? Better take Achilles' rape slave then, there's no way he'll get pissed off about that. Oh wait, he stopped fighting in this useless fucking war and now the Trojans are winning all of a sudden? Whoops, better convince Patroclus to don Achilles' armor to make the Trojans afraid (that might actually have been Odysseus' idea, it's been a while since I read the Iliad). Oh, Patroclus is dead and Achilles has gone mad with grief and is dragging Hektor's body around behind his chariot? Fucking oops.
And then at the end Agamemnon goes home and gets wrapped in a curtain and stabbed to death by his pissed-off wife who I think was also cheating on him, because who the fuck wouldn't when your dumbass husband goes to war for ten years for basically no reason?
ok, so you called them stupid, now what.