They're using social media accounts to galvanize people to commit mass entryism on various orgs. They apparently did this with the American chapter of the KFAUSA (or, at least, they may have a "PatSoc problem"). I questioned a PatSoc about this who turned out to be an anti-Semite during a Twitter Space and he was... fucking skittish. He wouldn't give a straight answer.
So when Haz wasn't even a thing yet, I remember seeing a suspiciously polished promo video for INFRARED that immediately set off alarm bells for me. Also strangely, I can't seem to find that promo video anywhere now.
I also remember not long after the channel started seeing a clip of Haz on a girl Twitch streamer's stream and the title was something like "Haz flirting with ____" and the whole thing struck me as overtly trying to appeal to lonely young men on the internet, in a similar vein as gamer gate, red pill garbage, etc. Basically following the Steve Bannon/Mercer Family social media manipulation playbook. I haven't really dug into it, but I'd be curious to see if there are any links with patsocs to people like Steve Bannon or Aleksandr Dugin.
He got recommended on r/chapotraphouse a few times, and because I don't watch streams or go on twitter, I had no idea who he was for like... A while into chapo.chat
It took us some time to work out the whole thing they were doing was sus to be fair. Initially Haz looked alright until the reactionary stuff piled up and up and up. Some of his early Stalin videos were genuinely good. Several of us, including myself, thought he was a good entry into the lineup of marxist creators at the time, Bay Area 415 was also suspiciously doxxed and taken out of commission at the time, there was a concerted influence and counter-influence op that was mounted against growing marxist influence at the time. That shitbag Beau of the Fifth too exploded during that period. And growth was explosive too but we countered him relatively well.
Haz and the patsoc crowd started getting attention for being reactionary and double and tripled down on it for growth.
My take is that they're fascists or feds. I wanna say feds because I don't think the fascists put the kind of effort in to read that Haz and patsocs have done. Haz definitely has engaged with marxist literature to some extent whereas the fash rarely have the attention span.
I would also argue that none of his videos were good, not even the first ones, and it's telling that the original gang of Infrared isn't there anymore except for Haz.
Hmmm I distinctly liked his Stalin one back in the day. I think what they were doing back then was trying to be shocking by supporting Stalin but it didn't have the effect they wanted (because we actually do) so they moved on from him to other reactionary behaviours instead. I think the goal was and always has been to coopt MLism and then to make MLs look bad, which ties in well with the entryism if you think about it.
If you work under the assumption of fed involvement it sorta demonstrates how an inexperienced team of liberal feds would approach things too. They would initially internally expect pro-Stalin things to be "shocking" due to unfamiliarity with MLs. Also they probably expected pro-Stalin content to have more of a detrimental effect if others saw it, that people on the wider web would see pro-Stalin stuff and immediately have a visceral negative reaction. Instead, people watched that content and softened their views on Stalin which is the opposite of what they wanted because they didn't want to help MLs they wanted to make MLs less attractive to the new growing waves of baby-leftists.
This experience for them led to adaptation of their methods and a change of direction.
Right. It adds up, along with the change in tactics after they rapidly learn that it doesn't produce the result they intended. Assuming there's a system of action/evaluation involved which any organised fed effort would definitely have.
Yeah, there's something very weird about how he went from "guy on youtube that literally no one has heard of" to appearing on Tucker Carlson's Fox show in a matter of months.
I usually just write off the typical online "This youtuber/streamer/podcaster is definitely a fed!" stuff as bullshit, but this particular guy really makes me wonder.
Dude looks like a grown man but is supposedly 19. He also recently started college. Normally I wouldn’t think much of that, but with all the context, he’s definitely grooming susceptible college kids into doing stupid shit.
Dude looks like a grown man but is supposedly 19. He also recently started college.
I believe what you're thinking about here was some dumbass bit he recently did for his youtube channel or whatever, where he just went to some random college class and started doing ePiC oWnS on the blue-haired sjw's like it was 2015.
As far as I know he's not an actual student, and he's like 22-23.
I didn't say shit about the CIA, it was all conventionally-domestic bodies afaik, like the FBI and Congressional committees. Apparently also:
"If it were not for me", Hoover told a State Department official in 1963, "there would not be a Communist Party of the United States. Because I've financed the Communist Party, in order to know what they are doing"
By central body, I essentially mean everything "National" in their org chart.
In addition, if you're so sure about fed involvement, then don't react the way you do simply because I mentioned "CIA." Like, be confident. Instead, you're getting flustered and it makes you look suspicious and like you're not confident that we're a bunch of feds.
Exactly, I was replying to that and then you came in, not specifying your position in a good manner. I'm replying to that. And I'm pretty tied to the leadership. You have not given any evidence whatsoever that CPUSA are feds.
Also, the person that's my mentor is in Nat'l lmao
We have a vetting process, but some are extra-sneaky. It's not a problem anymore, especially thanks to Joe Sims (one other reason why he's more popular than John Bachtell and beat him in election), but they still keep throwing people at us and some pass through the cracks.
This isn't a problem in my CPUSA branch. We simply ask all new members to car bomb the state legislature, and if my handler catches them they have to are allowed to join.
You shouldn't fed-jacket other leftists. The PatSocs attacking CPUSA, I can understand, since they're right-wingers. But many MLs in the CPUSA do mutual aid with some even running soup kitchens and collaborating with orgs such as PSL and FRSO.
I don't know if the person is just making a joke about my org or saying something in an "ironic" way so I don't know. I suppose it could be tongue in cheek, but idk
Hazites keep trying to infiltrate and take over my org (CPUSA).
It sucks because they keep harassing trans comrades and Autistic comrades like myself (never mind BIPOC ones like myself).
We've kept kicking them out and many don't pass vetting, but it hasn't been without its damage and great damage, I would argue.
r/stupidpol and its consequences
have been a disaster for the communist movement
there
finished the quote for you
;)
Damn that sucks ass. Sorry.
Yeah, Haz wants to take over CPUSA "by 2036"
Hence, the oft repeated PatSoc slogan "CPUSA 2036."
He's also friends with Jackson Hinkle and Caleb Maupin.
Each one of them has 10s of thousands of followers with Hinkle having over 100,000 on YouTube, I think.
I believe Rainer Shea has also become a PatSoc recently and has been on Maupin's streams.
You can see where them telling their fans to infiltrate and take over the CPUSA would be a problem.
They're trying to commit mass entryism.
These goofs have ties to LaRouchite organisations and this stuff is straight outta the LaRouche playbook.
LaRouche used to harass the CPUSA in the 1980s and also was against the anti-apartheid movement in the USA (regarding South Africa).
At one point, they started throwing churches at a church by a large amount that was anti-apartheid and called for divestment.
I saw LaRouche’s thoughts on mother-daughter relationships and I’m just
LaRouche was also a CIA asset or at least an asset of the FBI.
Cant find anything on google, can you ruin my day?
Damn twitter is becoming real.
No joke.
They're fucking feds, I tell you. Or so I think.
They're using social media accounts to galvanize people to commit mass entryism on various orgs. They apparently did this with the American chapter of the KFAUSA (or, at least, they may have a "PatSoc problem"). I questioned a PatSoc about this who turned out to be an anti-Semite during a Twitter Space and he was... fucking skittish. He wouldn't give a straight answer.
The leading patsocs are absolutely feds.
So when Haz wasn't even a thing yet, I remember seeing a suspiciously polished promo video for INFRARED that immediately set off alarm bells for me. Also strangely, I can't seem to find that promo video anywhere now.
I also remember not long after the channel started seeing a clip of Haz on a girl Twitch streamer's stream and the title was something like "Haz flirting with ____" and the whole thing struck me as overtly trying to appeal to lonely young men on the internet, in a similar vein as gamer gate, red pill garbage, etc. Basically following the Steve Bannon/Mercer Family social media manipulation playbook. I haven't really dug into it, but I'd be curious to see if there are any links with patsocs to people like Steve Bannon or Aleksandr Dugin.
He got recommended on r/chapotraphouse a few times, and because I don't watch streams or go on twitter, I had no idea who he was for like... A while into chapo.chat
It took us some time to work out the whole thing they were doing was sus to be fair. Initially Haz looked alright until the reactionary stuff piled up and up and up. Some of his early Stalin videos were genuinely good. Several of us, including myself, thought he was a good entry into the lineup of marxist creators at the time, Bay Area 415 was also suspiciously doxxed and taken out of commission at the time, there was a concerted influence and counter-influence op that was mounted against growing marxist influence at the time. That shitbag Beau of the Fifth too exploded during that period. And
growth was explosive too but we countered him relatively well.
Haz and the patsoc crowd started getting attention for being reactionary and double and tripled down on it for growth.
My take is that they're fascists or feds. I wanna say feds because I don't think the fascists put the kind of effort in to read that Haz and patsocs have done. Haz definitely has engaged with marxist literature to some extent whereas the fash rarely have the attention span.
I know who doxxed BayArea415 given that I was an advisor of his.
Also, Haz and the PatSoc crowd initially were banking on fighting Maoism (which garnered them support) but ultimately they became right-deviationists.
I would also argue that none of his videos were good, not even the first ones, and it's telling that the original gang of Infrared isn't there anymore except for Haz.
Hmmm I distinctly liked his Stalin one back in the day. I think what they were doing back then was trying to be shocking by supporting Stalin but it didn't have the effect they wanted (because we actually do) so they moved on from him to other reactionary behaviours instead. I think the goal was and always has been to coopt MLism and then to make MLs look bad, which ties in well with the entryism if you think about it.
Good point.
If you work under the assumption of fed involvement it sorta demonstrates how an inexperienced team of liberal feds would approach things too. They would initially internally expect pro-Stalin things to be "shocking" due to unfamiliarity with MLs. Also they probably expected pro-Stalin content to have more of a detrimental effect if others saw it, that people on the wider web would see pro-Stalin stuff and immediately have a visceral negative reaction. Instead, people watched that content and softened their views on Stalin which is the opposite of what they wanted because they didn't want to help MLs they wanted to make MLs less attractive to the new growing waves of baby-leftists.
This experience for them led to adaptation of their methods and a change of direction.
The dots connect together rather neatly.
That's what a conservative would do, tbh.
Right. It adds up, along with the change in tactics after they rapidly learn that it doesn't produce the result they intended. Assuming there's a system of action/evaluation involved which any organised fed effort would definitely have.
True enough, but being a resident of Virginia, I can tell you that feds also have rivalries with each other and even sabotage each other.
And they're as dumb as rocks and a lot of them are evangelicals, at least here.
Dugin, yes. At least philosophically. I don’t know if his networks in Russia have any links to them in the US.
But Bannon, sorta. Peter Thiel funded right wing podcasts and ecelebs including Red Scare.
Oh yeah, good point
Dude, they have to be, especially Jackson Hinkle.
Yeah, there's something very weird about how he went from "guy on youtube that literally no one has heard of" to appearing on Tucker Carlson's Fox show in a matter of months.
There really fucking is...
I usually just write off the typical online "This youtuber/streamer/podcaster is definitely a fed!" stuff as bullshit, but this particular guy really makes me wonder.
Goddamn, and I hate fed-jacketing, but...
Dude looks like a grown man but is supposedly 19. He also recently started college. Normally I wouldn’t think much of that, but with all the context, he’s definitely grooming susceptible college kids into doing stupid shit.
I believe what you're thinking about here was some dumbass bit he recently did for his youtube channel or whatever, where he just went to some random college class and started doing ePiC oWnS on the blue-haired sjw's like it was 2015.
As far as I know he's not an actual student, and he's like 22-23.
I was wondering why they were specifically interested in CPUSA, and this clears it up. Good luck in your fight against them anyway.
Wdym?
CPUSA aren't feds, contrary to Internet rumors.
I'm not a fed. We're literally being attacked by feds.
I'm sure you aren't, I'm just saying that the central body of the org was compromised over a half-century ago by the HUAC and friends
Also, which central body of the org are you referring to? HUAC isn't the CIA, btw.
Historically, the opposite happened.
I didn't say shit about the CIA, it was all conventionally-domestic bodies afaik, like the FBI and Congressional committees. Apparently also:
By central body, I essentially mean everything "National" in their org chart.
Also, you got that anecdote from a known anti-communist academic.
Someone said "CIAPUSA" lmao so don't bring up the CIA.
Then don't use central body lol
Be specific.
Also, in the 1970s, they said they only had a minority of informants within the CPUSA.
And how do you explain what happened to Sam Webb?
In addition, if you're so sure about fed involvement, then don't react the way you do simply because I mentioned "CIA." Like, be confident. Instead, you're getting flustered and it makes you look suspicious and like you're not confident that we're a bunch of feds.
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Exactly, I was replying to that and then you came in, not specifying your position in a good manner. I'm replying to that. And I'm pretty tied to the leadership. You have not given any evidence whatsoever that CPUSA are feds.
Also, the person that's my mentor is in Nat'l lmao
Irony of posting this alongside like four other replies.
Yeah, 'cause I've been dealing with this crap a lot and you were just regurgitating Internet rumors.
There's an edit button
Then use it.
In addition, why is the CPUSA being attacked by feds now?
It was not, actually.
Man I gotta ask, why are you so in on CPUSA? You're talking about all of their major institutional flaws like this.
What? What major institutional flaws? I'm not talking about its flaws right now and this has nothing to do with that.
What does it take to join? How are these people possibly getting into the party?
We have a vetting process, but some are extra-sneaky. It's not a problem anymore, especially thanks to Joe Sims (one other reason why he's more popular than John Bachtell and beat him in election), but they still keep throwing people at us and some pass through the cracks.
Oh, by me saying that it's "not a problem anymore," I mean the worst is basically over.
This isn't a problem in my CPUSA branch. We simply ask all new members to car bomb the state legislature, and if my handler catches them they
have toare allowed to join.Handler? That isn't a position.
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You shouldn't fed-jacket other leftists. The PatSocs attacking CPUSA, I can understand, since they're right-wingers. But many MLs in the CPUSA do mutual aid with some even running soup kitchens and collaborating with orgs such as PSL and FRSO.
That sucks a lot, but also it's the CIAUSA so it's not like it was in a good place before.
The CPUSA is not compromised by the CIA.
tongue in cheek or?
I don't know if the person is just making a joke about my org or saying something in an "ironic" way so I don't know. I suppose it could be tongue in cheek, but idk
you're in the CPUSA?
Of course.