“There were a lot of union votes that did flip,” acknowledged Stacey Benson-Taylor, Dayton regional director of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. “That’s kind of hard to explain.”
Phil Plummer, the Montgomery County Republican chairman, argues that “a lot of union people switched to the Republican Party because they felt the Democrats had left them.” Ms. Klein of Co-op Dayton put it this way: “Dayton consistently showed up for Democrats, and Democrats didn’t show up for Dayton.”
Seems pretty class conscious to me. Sure yeah, workers aren't going to get much if anything from either party, but when the "Blue Team" that supposedly champions unions & the poor totally abandons all semblance of good faith, we can't be surprised about these shifts
Yeah, but it’s how to say it, grandfathered unions, from period of consciousness.
They see themselves getting fucked over by both parties, and vote whatever, for party national bourgeoisie cause it’s their bosses at least, instead of international bourgeoisie. That’s not consciousness, that’s choosing your cage in golden color with nicer water :shrug-outta-hecks:
So deindustrialized areas with failing public school education & sky-rocketing crime rates, where public-sector unions are perhaps one of the last functional bastions of class consciousness, actually just aren't class conscious enough for you? lmao
when are you just going to say, "fuck the poor if they don't Democrat" ?
Until they tar and feather at least one politician and judge - no, lol.
They vote what they believe is their best interest - party of national/local/petit bourgeoisie, cause international burgers will fuck them even harder. Again that not conscious, that’s survival instincts
Sounds like fedposting... they tried this in Michigan & supposedly had a plan to kill public officials & the idiots in that group were primarily FBI & CI's lol
If this shift from the Dems is done primarily with the recognition that Democrats failed, then it's class conscious as hell
But their reasoning was masks and covid restrictions, again that’s not worker consciousness. I’m not advocating, I’m saying it’s an indicator.
They, presumably, cheered that Supreme Court fuck who said it’s legal to freeze driver to death, cause contract. Riddle me this, where is the worker anger at that?
I didn't say that menacing public officials is class conscious, it's probably the opposite. It's fedposting
Casting aspersions about a case that few have heard about isn't really a political matter, that case was also conducted while Gorsuch was a Federal District Court of Appeals judge & during the Obama era
Gorsuch was confirmed to the Tenth Circuit in 2006 with a unanimous vote in the Senate lol
If you think working class ascended onto some higher plane of non-violent action, that’s cool and good, but all prior history indicates that worker movements would do something’s which skirts the law at least. Again, I’m saying that’s an indicator of awareness where problem lies, and not fedposting of “therefore, unless you explode train with emperor, your movement is unconscious” cargo cult style thinking.
Maybe class consciousness with american characteristics would be voting for gop with socialist candidates, but i find that extremely unlikely.
Gorsuch case indicates, that there is no solidarity, which is again weak indicator that there is no awareness. Come on, if 20 percent of trucks stopped dead for a month, he wouldn’t be confirmed anywhere
All prior history indicates that these really untoward & blatant over-the-top violent "calls-to-action" are largely psyops & largely used against the respective "movements" they arise from. That's been the case for over 100 years. If you can point to some real information or data, I'd be glad to engage with it
Class consciousness isn't simply contained in the bare fact of who someone votes for, it's also in what the voters are turning out to vote against. We can say that everyone who refuses workplace mask/vaccine mandates is just a brainless hog, or we can say that there really is a divide between the workers & employers where the mandates themselves are the limiting factor, rather than the public health concerns they're implemented for
Gorsuch case indicates that both parties support corporate legal hacks & ALEC-style pre-packaged bills for the benefit of the ownership classes.
Exit polling indicates thar Democrats won low income voters by significant margins in 2016 and 2020. Working class voting for Republicans is mostly just bullshit.
"Exit polling" during the largest Postal voting campaign in America's history?
"Because exit polls can't reach people who voted by postal ballot or another form of absentee voting, they may be biased towards certain demographics and miss swings that only occur among absentee voters."
In specific states these things break down according to "Red State" & "Blue State" realities. Texas & Indiana & Ohio have high income Republican voters whereas Connecticut and New Jersey and other solidly blue states have extremely high income Dem voters
2016 didn't have large mail in voting numbers. Besides, lower income folks aren't likely to be highly represented in mail-in voting.
Who cares about party registry, look at how people are voting. The working class continues to predominantly vote for the Democratic party. They are far from ideal, but it's insane to think Republicans represent the working class.
If you can point to some data that bears this out, I would be glad to engage with it. We know that large shifts in the upper middle-class formerly red suburbs caused many of these flipped newly Blue districts to crop up
Working class predominantly doesn't vote at all... and neither party "represents" them
hahahahahaha FUCK OFF
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Somehow the worker's party didn't decide to help the Democratic party pass some minimal reforms like paid parental leave.
key Senate Democrats seem to be unwilling or unable to help them pass it as well
Yeah, but with just Cotton and Hawley alone Manchin and Sinema become irrelevant.
Not really, because GOP is a unified party even without Trump at the helm
Sinema & Manchin prove that the Dems are controlled opposition
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/27/business/economy/republican-party-voters-income.html
Considering there is no class consciousness, it’s mainly counterjerks this one sucked, let’s try this one. American r-d pendulum is fairly consistent
“There were a lot of union votes that did flip,” acknowledged Stacey Benson-Taylor, Dayton regional director of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. “That’s kind of hard to explain.”
Phil Plummer, the Montgomery County Republican chairman, argues that “a lot of union people switched to the Republican Party because they felt the Democrats had left them.” Ms. Klein of Co-op Dayton put it this way: “Dayton consistently showed up for Democrats, and Democrats didn’t show up for Dayton.”
Seems pretty class conscious to me. Sure yeah, workers aren't going to get much if anything from either party, but when the "Blue Team" that supposedly champions unions & the poor totally abandons all semblance of good faith, we can't be surprised about these shifts
Yeah, but it’s how to say it, grandfathered unions, from period of consciousness.
They see themselves getting fucked over by both parties, and vote whatever, for party national bourgeoisie cause it’s their bosses at least, instead of international bourgeoisie. That’s not consciousness, that’s choosing your cage in golden color with nicer water :shrug-outta-hecks:
So deindustrialized areas with failing public school education & sky-rocketing crime rates, where public-sector unions are perhaps one of the last functional bastions of class consciousness, actually just aren't class conscious enough for you? lmao
when are you just going to say, "fuck the poor if they don't Democrat" ?
Until they tar and feather at least one politician and judge - no, lol.
They vote what they believe is their best interest - party of national/local/petit bourgeoisie, cause international burgers will fuck them even harder. Again that not conscious, that’s survival instincts
Sounds like fedposting... they tried this in Michigan & supposedly had a plan to kill public officials & the idiots in that group were primarily FBI & CI's lol
If this shift from the Dems is done primarily with the recognition that Democrats failed, then it's class conscious as hell
But their reasoning was masks and covid restrictions, again that’s not worker consciousness. I’m not advocating, I’m saying it’s an indicator.
They, presumably, cheered that Supreme Court fuck who said it’s legal to freeze driver to death, cause contract. Riddle me this, where is the worker anger at that?
I didn't say that menacing public officials is class conscious, it's probably the opposite. It's fedposting
Casting aspersions about a case that few have heard about isn't really a political matter, that case was also conducted while Gorsuch was a Federal District Court of Appeals judge & during the Obama era
Gorsuch was confirmed to the Tenth Circuit in 2006 with a unanimous vote in the Senate lol
If you think working class ascended onto some higher plane of non-violent action, that’s cool and good, but all prior history indicates that worker movements would do something’s which skirts the law at least. Again, I’m saying that’s an indicator of awareness where problem lies, and not fedposting of “therefore, unless you explode train with emperor, your movement is unconscious” cargo cult style thinking.
Maybe class consciousness with american characteristics would be voting for gop with socialist candidates, but i find that extremely unlikely.
Gorsuch case indicates, that there is no solidarity, which is again weak indicator that there is no awareness. Come on, if 20 percent of trucks stopped dead for a month, he wouldn’t be confirmed anywhere
All prior history indicates that these really untoward & blatant over-the-top violent "calls-to-action" are largely psyops & largely used against the respective "movements" they arise from. That's been the case for over 100 years. If you can point to some real information or data, I'd be glad to engage with it
Class consciousness isn't simply contained in the bare fact of who someone votes for, it's also in what the voters are turning out to vote against. We can say that everyone who refuses workplace mask/vaccine mandates is just a brainless hog, or we can say that there really is a divide between the workers & employers where the mandates themselves are the limiting factor, rather than the public health concerns they're implemented for
Gorsuch case indicates that both parties support corporate legal hacks & ALEC-style pre-packaged bills for the benefit of the ownership classes.
Exit polling indicates thar Democrats won low income voters by significant margins in 2016 and 2020. Working class voting for Republicans is mostly just bullshit.
"Exit polling" during the largest Postal voting campaign in America's history?
"Because exit polls can't reach people who voted by postal ballot or another form of absentee voting, they may be biased towards certain demographics and miss swings that only occur among absentee voters."
In specific states these things break down according to "Red State" & "Blue State" realities. Texas & Indiana & Ohio have high income Republican voters whereas Connecticut and New Jersey and other solidly blue states have extremely high income Dem voters
https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/party-affiliation/by/state/among/income-distribution/100000-or-more/
This survey was done in 2014, but just look at how Virginia has shifted in the last few years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/09/us/virginia-elections-democrats-republicans.html
Extremely high income & extremely liberal attitudes
2016 didn't have large mail in voting numbers. Besides, lower income folks aren't likely to be highly represented in mail-in voting.
Who cares about party registry, look at how people are voting. The working class continues to predominantly vote for the Democratic party. They are far from ideal, but it's insane to think Republicans represent the working class.
If you can point to some data that bears this out, I would be glad to engage with it. We know that large shifts in the upper middle-class formerly red suburbs caused many of these flipped newly Blue districts to crop up
Working class predominantly doesn't vote at all... and neither party "represents" them