• hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
      hexagon
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      Yeah, doing the "I'm the one true lefty" bit from a Greek statue avi "evropa" account is funny.

    • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
      hexagon
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      antaŭ 3 jaroj

      Somehow the worker's party didn't decide to help the Democratic party pass some minimal reforms like paid parental leave.

        • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
          hexagon
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          antaŭ 3 jaroj

          Yeah, but with just Cotton and Hawley alone Manchin and Sinema become irrelevant.

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            antaŭ 3 jaroj

            Not really, because GOP is a unified party even without Trump at the helm

            Sinema & Manchin prove that the Dems are controlled opposition

    • volkvulture [none/use name]
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      antaŭ 3 jaroj

      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/27/business/economy/republican-party-voters-income.html

      • comi [he/him]
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        Considering there is no class consciousness, it’s mainly counterjerks this one sucked, let’s try this one. American r-d pendulum is fairly consistent

        • volkvulture [none/use name]
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          “There were a lot of union votes that did flip,” acknowledged Stacey Benson-Taylor, Dayton regional director of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. “That’s kind of hard to explain.”

          Phil Plummer, the Montgomery County Republican chairman, argues that “a lot of union people switched to the Republican Party because they felt the Democrats had left them.” Ms. Klein of Co-op Dayton put it this way: “Dayton consistently showed up for Democrats, and Democrats didn’t show up for Dayton.”

          Seems pretty class conscious to me. Sure yeah, workers aren't going to get much if anything from either party, but when the "Blue Team" that supposedly champions unions & the poor totally abandons all semblance of good faith, we can't be surprised about these shifts

          • comi [he/him]
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            antaŭ 3 jaroj

            Yeah, but it’s how to say it, grandfathered unions, from period of consciousness.

            They see themselves getting fucked over by both parties, and vote whatever, for party national bourgeoisie cause it’s their bosses at least, instead of international bourgeoisie. That’s not consciousness, that’s choosing your cage in golden color with nicer water :shrug-outta-hecks:

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              antaŭ 3 jaroj

              So deindustrialized areas with failing public school education & sky-rocketing crime rates, where public-sector unions are perhaps one of the last functional bastions of class consciousness, actually just aren't class conscious enough for you? lmao

              when are you just going to say, "fuck the poor if they don't Democrat" ?

              • comi [he/him]
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                antaŭ 3 jaroj

                Until they tar and feather at least one politician and judge - no, lol.

                They vote what they believe is their best interest - party of national/local/petit bourgeoisie, cause international burgers will fuck them even harder. Again that not conscious, that’s survival instincts

                • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                  Sounds like fedposting... they tried this in Michigan & supposedly had a plan to kill public officials & the idiots in that group were primarily FBI & CI's lol

                  If this shift from the Dems is done primarily with the recognition that Democrats failed, then it's class conscious as hell

                  • comi [he/him]
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                    antaŭ 3 jaroj

                    But their reasoning was masks and covid restrictions, again that’s not worker consciousness. I’m not advocating, I’m saying it’s an indicator.

                    They, presumably, cheered that Supreme Court fuck who said it’s legal to freeze driver to death, cause contract. Riddle me this, where is the worker anger at that?

                    • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                      I didn't say that menacing public officials is class conscious, it's probably the opposite. It's fedposting

                      Casting aspersions about a case that few have heard about isn't really a political matter, that case was also conducted while Gorsuch was a Federal District Court of Appeals judge & during the Obama era

                      Gorsuch was confirmed to the Tenth Circuit in 2006 with a unanimous vote in the Senate lol

                      • comi [he/him]
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                        antaŭ 3 jaroj

                        If you think working class ascended onto some higher plane of non-violent action, that’s cool and good, but all prior history indicates that worker movements would do something’s which skirts the law at least. Again, I’m saying that’s an indicator of awareness where problem lies, and not fedposting of “therefore, unless you explode train with emperor, your movement is unconscious” cargo cult style thinking.

                        Maybe class consciousness with american characteristics would be voting for gop with socialist candidates, but i find that extremely unlikely.

                        Gorsuch case indicates, that there is no solidarity, which is again weak indicator that there is no awareness. Come on, if 20 percent of trucks stopped dead for a month, he wouldn’t be confirmed anywhere

                        • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                          All prior history indicates that these really untoward & blatant over-the-top violent "calls-to-action" are largely psyops & largely used against the respective "movements" they arise from. That's been the case for over 100 years. If you can point to some real information or data, I'd be glad to engage with it

                          Class consciousness isn't simply contained in the bare fact of who someone votes for, it's also in what the voters are turning out to vote against. We can say that everyone who refuses workplace mask/vaccine mandates is just a brainless hog, or we can say that there really is a divide between the workers & employers where the mandates themselves are the limiting factor, rather than the public health concerns they're implemented for

                          Gorsuch case indicates that both parties support corporate legal hacks & ALEC-style pre-packaged bills for the benefit of the ownership classes.

      • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
        hexagon
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        antaŭ 3 jaroj

        Exit polling indicates thar Democrats won low income voters by significant margins in 2016 and 2020. Working class voting for Republicans is mostly just bullshit.

        • volkvulture [none/use name]
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          antaŭ 3 jaroj

          "Exit polling" during the largest Postal voting campaign in America's history?

          "Because exit polls can't reach people who voted by postal ballot or another form of absentee voting, they may be biased towards certain demographics and miss swings that only occur among absentee voters."

          In specific states these things break down according to "Red State" & "Blue State" realities. Texas & Indiana & Ohio have high income Republican voters whereas Connecticut and New Jersey and other solidly blue states have extremely high income Dem voters

          https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/party-affiliation/by/state/among/income-distribution/100000-or-more/

          This survey was done in 2014, but just look at how Virginia has shifted in the last few years.

          https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/09/us/virginia-elections-democrats-republicans.html

          Extremely high income & extremely liberal attitudes

          • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
            hexagon
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            2016 didn't have large mail in voting numbers. Besides, lower income folks aren't likely to be highly represented in mail-in voting.

            Who cares about party registry, look at how people are voting. The working class continues to predominantly vote for the Democratic party. They are far from ideal, but it's insane to think Republicans represent the working class.

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              If you can point to some data that bears this out, I would be glad to engage with it. We know that large shifts in the upper middle-class formerly red suburbs caused many of these flipped newly Blue districts to crop up

              Working class predominantly doesn't vote at all... and neither party "represents" them

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    It's just the outsider bias.

    People see Bernie fucked inside the Blue Party and know that's bad. But they don't see candidates getting fucked inside the Red Party, because they aren't heavily involved in those organizations.

    You want to believe that there's One Neat Trick to beating the system. But there's not.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        antaŭ 3 jaroj

        You don't have to be a Succ to get fucked in the GOP. Aspiring politicos get suckered and fleeced down in Texas all the time.

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        :think-mark: uhhhhh Abraham Lincoln maybe? I dunno

      • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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        antaŭ 3 jaroj

        Trup was pretty socdem in campaign rhetoric. At least the parts that wrent WWE smackdown shade at jeb

  • deadbergeron [he/him,they/them]
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    antaŭ 3 jaroj

    worker's party

    https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2021/10/29/as-kellogg-strike-stretches-past-3-weeks-workers-say-theyve-noted-lack-of-gop-lawmaker-support

    I find it infinitely hilarious that the GOP which earlier this year was calling itself the "new party of the working class" is nowhere to be found when it comes to these strikes.

      • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
        hexagon
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        antaŭ 3 jaroj

        It's an attempt for coastal elite unions to bully working class owners into giving up their hard earned money:deeper-sadness:

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      antaŭ 3 jaroj

      Well when you define "working class" as "white people who have jobs regardless of income and have a conservative outlook; and are mostly men", then it all makes sense...

  • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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    antaŭ 3 jaroj

    Folks, the bourgeois, they're no good everyone is saying it. All these workers, very handsome workers come up to me and say, Comrade Trump there is a specter haunting Europe, and you know what, they're right. These bourgeois are very nasty people very very rude and very unfair to the workers. They are stealing our surplus value and no one is doing anything about it. The proletariat comes up to me everyday and says, Comrade Trump will you lead the revolution? And I gotta turn to them and say, Look the instruments of capitalism will be used to bring about its destruction believe me you gotta trust me on this one. The means of production, obama never wanted to seize them. Well guess what? I'm seizing them. Landlords? They're done for folks. Everyone told me they said, Comrade Trump you won't be the vanguard of the revolution and they would laugh, the media laughed the democrats laughed, guess whose laughing now?

  • pppp1000 [he/him]
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    antaŭ 3 jaroj

    Lmao. This line of thinking isn't far fetch for some "American leftist". Like I get it rural America is prime for radicalization but you need to teach them not to be racist first. Not just racism, teach them not to be transphobic and sexist too. I see so many who wants higher wage and union but then they will drop some slur or think Democrats are communists.

  • D61 [any]
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    antaŭ 3 jaroj

    I

    :data-laughing:

    till I

    :squidward-nervous:

  • Civility [none/use name]
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    antaŭ 3 jaroj

    Greek statue

    evrop

    US flag

    Can someone with a 🐦account please message this dork and tell them to put a vapourwave filter on their pfp?

    I am so close to winning twitter fascist bingo.