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        • itsPina [he/him, she/her]M
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          Except anarchists aren't willing to have the transition period. That's the entire problem. If they are willing to have the transition period then they are MLs

    • TheBroodian [none/use name]
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      But what about… after that?

      This is, in my opinion, the biggest reason that it's irreconcilable. The revolution is not the act that ends capitalism, it is merely the act that flips who has dominant power. It is the act of the proletariat taking authority. A state will be absolutely necessary to maintain that power and authority over the bourgeoisie, and the state will be absolutely necessary in eliminating the bourgeoisie in the coming decades, and in eliminating the existing relations of production, and enforcing the new relations of production. It's necessary because it fills a space of power that if left open, will be filled by the first group that can organize and fill it, i.e. reactionaries.

      Attempting to build decentralized anything during this time of fragility will certainly fail, because the time it will take to learn new modes is exactly the time when the reactionaries will strike with the already existing, already tried and tested old modes. And the vast majority of humanity is already familiar and comfortable with the old modes. They will flee to them because new modes are scary, uncharted territory.

        • WhyIsItReal [he/him]
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          at that point, you’re just an ml. mls still believe in stateless society as an end goal

            • itsPina [he/him, she/her]M
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              To have council communism or democratic confederalism you'd first need to squash any reactionary uprising that may pop up. Not everyone is going to be along for communism from the start and dealing with that is the entire ML struggle

        • TheBroodian [none/use name]
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          Well that much later beyond the revolution you're right, there's nothing left to reconcile. ML's and anarchists are both communist tendencies. We all want a stateless, moneyless, classless society.

    • ComradeNagual [none/use name]
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      But what about… after that?

      After that you need to survive the reaction, they are not going to leave you alone. China is a Nuclear armed state and they trying a color revolution right under its nose. The USSR fell to one because its last Secretary General abandoned ML principles.

      After that you will still require MLism just to stay above water, and the Reaction is also nuclear armed so its not like you can just set off to launch global revolution, they will use them.

      A classless society is the objective but first you need to outlive the enemy, else it will forever stay an objective.