It's a bad take to assume this is true as well. I'd believe Morales over the fascist coup government that took over, so I'll just wait for more information to come out
No need to wait for "more information" to come out, because there was never any information in the first place. It's literally just fascists calling a socialist a rapist out of nowhere lol.
Yeah I'm not saying it is true but to outright be like "this is fake" is kinda bad for victims of abuse, no? I get it the alleged victim didn't say anything accusitory yet; but if a child is taking personal trips with an adult alone then I would say something should be looked into there.
That's fair - but until more substantive evidence is presented (or at least have the victim make a formal accusation) I will not do the work of the liberal establishment and dismiss it as easily as they dismissed Tara Reade (who actually did make a formal accusation and had a whole pile of proof)
edit: that being said, if it turns out to be true I will of course call for justice, so long as that justice is not meted out by the illegitimate coup government but instead by a tribunal of the people
Deputy Minister Guido Melgar told a press conference on Thursday that photos taken from a mobile phone belonging to one of the woman's relatives show her while on trips with Mr Morales.
She was also 19, but they claim it must have been going on since she was 14. Also no comment from the woman or her family.
The role of the young woman's family in allegedly "allowing" Mr Morales to travel with her as a minor is also being investigated, Mr Melgar said.
So it looks like she was probably just traveling with him as a spokesperson for something and the parents allowed it because they supported MAS. This is like Bernie being investigated for doing speeches with the Sunrise Movement.
They have literally no evidence or even an accusation. This was entirely concocted by the interim government it looks like.
They also "investigating" the family, not asking them what happened. I'm for believing accusations, but there isn't even an accusation here. Just pictures of Evo with a kid that they got off one of her family member's phone.
I was just providing a very possible explanation for why he would be traveling with a kid and why the family would be okay with that. It's equally as valid as their claim as we have no comment from anyone involved beyond their heresay.
That's true it is equally possible. That's why I don't think we should say it's fake or real. It harms victims to claim it's fake without actually hearing the victim's side. It harms legitimacy if you claim it's true.
That info wasn't out when this was posted. I still stand by my original point of not claiming it's fake/real until you talk to the victim first.
Also being like "well we were right this time it wasn't a rape" is how Biden supporters justify not listening to Tara. Anyone can be a rapist, even people you like. Just have courtesy for a victim and wait until they talk before jumping the gun.
In almost any other situation, sure. In the middle of a fascist coup and smear campaign after someone came forward after being coerced by the police into saying she was in a relationship with him? No.
That info wasn't out when this was posted. I still stand by my original point of not claiming it's fake/real until you talk to the victim first.
Also being like "well we were right this time it wasn't a rape" is how Biden supporters justify not listening to Tara. Anyone can be a rapist, even people you like. Just have courtesy for a victim and wait until they talk before jumping the gun.
This has nothing to do with people I like, and everything to do with an accusation from a far right government that clearly have no morals and would do anything they could to smear MAS and set back the indigenous people in Bolivia by a century. Do you think the psychos in charge of Bolivia right now give a single shit about women's rights, for example, when they shaved that mayor and dragged here around the street to humiliate her? Like who would have to make this accusation before you would have serious doubts about its legitimacy? Hitler? the CIA?
This is lava jato 2.0. smearing Evo, who isn't even running, right before an extremely important election. Evidence, a picture of him with a 14 year old. It's absurd.
Isn't it a bad take to just assume it's fake? It is possible for anyone to be a rapist.
It's a bad take to assume this is true as well. I'd believe Morales over the fascist coup government that took over, so I'll just wait for more information to come out
No need to wait for "more information" to come out, because there was never any information in the first place. It's literally just fascists calling a socialist a rapist out of nowhere lol.
Yeah I'm not saying it is true but to outright be like "this is fake" is kinda bad for victims of abuse, no? I get it the alleged victim didn't say anything accusitory yet; but if a child is taking personal trips with an adult alone then I would say something should be looked into there.
That's fair - but until more substantive evidence is presented (or at least have the victim make a formal accusation) I will not do the work of the liberal establishment and dismiss it as easily as they dismissed Tara Reade (who actually did make a formal accusation and had a whole pile of proof)
edit: that being said, if it turns out to be true I will of course call for justice, so long as that justice is not meted out by the illegitimate coup government but instead by a tribunal of the people
I guess my comment was more for the OP since they are making the claim it is fake.
She was also 19, but they claim it must have been going on since she was 14. Also no comment from the woman or her family.
So it looks like she was probably just traveling with him as a spokesperson for something and the parents allowed it because they supported MAS. This is like Bernie being investigated for doing speeches with the Sunrise Movement.
Where does it say she was traveling as a spokesperson? I thought there was no word out from the family.
I wouldn't say that's the same thing. If Bernie was traveling alone with a 14 year old I would say we should look into that too.
They have literally no evidence or even an accusation. This was entirely concocted by the interim government it looks like.
They also "investigating" the family, not asking them what happened. I'm for believing accusations, but there isn't even an accusation here. Just pictures of Evo with a kid that they got off one of her family member's phone.
I was just providing a very possible explanation for why he would be traveling with a kid and why the family would be okay with that. It's equally as valid as their claim as we have no comment from anyone involved beyond their heresay.
That's true it is equally possible. That's why I don't think we should say it's fake or real. It harms victims to claim it's fake without actually hearing the victim's side. It harms legitimacy if you claim it's true.
Turns out she was kidnapped and tortured by the interim fascists!
That info wasn't out when this was posted. I still stand by my original point of not claiming it's fake/real until you talk to the victim first.
Also being like "well we were right this time it wasn't a rape" is how Biden supporters justify not listening to Tara. Anyone can be a rapist, even people you like. Just have courtesy for a victim and wait until they talk before jumping the gun.
In almost any other situation, sure. In the middle of a fascist coup and smear campaign after someone came forward after being coerced by the police into saying she was in a relationship with him? No.
That info wasn't out when this was posted. I still stand by my original point of not claiming it's fake/real until you talk to the victim first.
Also being like "well we were right this time it wasn't a rape" is how Biden supporters justify not listening to Tara. Anyone can be a rapist, even people you like. Just have courtesy for a victim and wait until they talk before jumping the gun.
This has nothing to do with people I like, and everything to do with an accusation from a far right government that clearly have no morals and would do anything they could to smear MAS and set back the indigenous people in Bolivia by a century. Do you think the psychos in charge of Bolivia right now give a single shit about women's rights, for example, when they shaved that mayor and dragged here around the street to humiliate her? Like who would have to make this accusation before you would have serious doubts about its legitimacy? Hitler? the CIA?
This is lava jato 2.0. smearing Evo, who isn't even running, right before an extremely important election. Evidence, a picture of him with a 14 year old. It's absurd.
when you look at the evidence would seem that's a judgment not an assumption