I keep seeing this talking point on :reddit-logo: whenever people complain about manchin, sinema or whatever other rotating villain of the week people are mad at. It's supposed to be some sort of "gotcha" or defense for these neolib ghouls...
It's glib, and it flies in the face of their other favorite response "we can walk and chew gum at the same time".
Do they honestly think people dont know republicans exist? Does it really need to be said that republicans are awful? They're not even confusing progressives and leftists for right wingers anymore.
It's just so lame, and I needed to vent about it. I need to quit going to :reddit-logo:
They have to be disappointed though, right? I don't get how even your garden variety lib can keep making excuses for dud politicians. I guess it's probably the fact that they tend to not be the type of person who stands to lose anything from bad policy or just plain doing nothing.
I just wonder what it is about human nature where people keep backing proven losers and why they aren't getting radicalized in droves.
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They're so disappointed and that's why they dig in even more violently, to try to convince themselves they're not actually mad, you are.
That's my theory anyways. Also yeah you're right, they're all too well off to actually get means tested benefits, so when you criticize Biden it's all "actually you hate poor people" and stupid pizza analogies.
I just don't know how to break the cycle they get you hooked into when you start arguing with them.
Let's take the "helping the poor" thing. So on one hand, you have the means tested garbage that libs support. On the other hand, you have the actual poor people actually telling you what they need and being ignored by the so-called helpers. It should be as simple as saying "if you really want to help the poor, healthcare and workers rights are things that will actually improve their material conditions without making them dependant on the state delivering things like SNAP benefits, that don't cover all the essentials." SNAP is actually a poor example because it's one of the few things the government has actually done that directly helps people, while not being completely means tested to death.
In CA, SNAP is absolutely means tested to death. You get liken $250 a month, base rate. But as soon as you make any money, they subtract huge amounts from your SNAP.
Like if you report $200 in income, they’ll lower your SNAP by at least $100. So you have to be completely indigent (but still pay your rent somehow!) to get the benefits. I guess I should point out that this is as a single person -- families might benefit a lot more from the combined money or qualify in a different way.
Also liberals hate the poor.
They have no skin in the game. Electoral politics is just sports for nerd libs (when in reality it's professional wrestling)