It's the only way Obama can say things like "Don't let them take away your democracy" while the DNC actively rejects things that are undeniably popular among a majority of all Americans, let alone people who register as democrats.

  • penguin_von_doom [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I think you are oversimplifying it. If you want it to be real democracy, you must also be seen, and be valid.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Which is why democracy is incompatible with capitalism. If your needs are only valid in a market context, if you are poor, you don't exist. If you can't afford water, your thirst doesn't exist. If you can't afford a politician, your needs don't exist.

    • leftofthat [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      What does this mean? I think democracy is extremely simple. Everyone gets a vote, and the majority rules.

      The mechanisms for ensuring that individuals can be seen, heard, or validated should come from that majority.

      • penguin_von_doom [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        I was referring to the empty lib phrase "I see you, I hear you, you are valid". In all seriousness democracy is a bit more complicated than relying on the majority, as that majority can (and has) easily hurt minorities.

        • leftofthat [he/him]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          Ahh gotcha. This turned semantic then we agree I think. The difference is that I wouldn't lump those things into "democracy." To me democracy is literally that simple. The result (as you point out) is that sometimes democracy can lead to injustice. If I might try and put words in your mouth to demonstrate this:

          I would say "achieving democracy isn't enough if there is still injustice in the world"

          You would say "if there is injustice, then you don't have democracy"