That’s the only potential in stumping for Ole Bernard. Admit it. With Biden’s victory they can hold out hope that Bernie would’ve been able to do something different. There’s no alternative to an independent and international party of the working class.

  • Alex_Jones [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    He'd at least be able to wreck up the place for a little bit with executive orders. Or at least I'd like to think of the timeline where I don't have student loan debt.

    • ABigguhPizzahPieh [none/use name,any]
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      3 years ago

      I get it man, but then that should make you think about how many people will be quieted or bought off by a future Bernie who will keep the fundamentals of capitalism intact but will kick some relief to specific segments of the population in the way thats needed to put out the fires. The only working class champion that will ever get far in the US political system is one who is for one segment or another of the working class, not the class as a whole. Thats why we need an independent party -- not to run elections, but to organize outside them.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        how many people will be quieted or bought off by a future Bernie who will keep the fundamentals of capitalism intact but will kick some relief to specific segments of the population in the way thats needed to put out the fires

        The trolley problem, but if you flip the switch not enough people will be hit by the trolley in order to start a Revolution.

        • ABigguhPizzahPieh [none/use name,any]
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          3 years ago

          Historically speaking, the movement for socialism grew during periods of boom in Germany, Russia, in the late 1800s and early 1900s. If all that was needed for a revolution was suffering then idk Pakistan would have a really militant working class.

          • grey_wolf_whenever [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Exactly, it's actually easier to get people to think about things once the pressure is off a little bit.

          • Vncredleader
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            3 years ago

            I mean suffering was enough for revolution in much of south Asia; Naxalites, NPA, etc

            • ABigguhPizzahPieh [none/use name,any]
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              3 years ago

              Naxalites and NPA were not powerful enough to carry out a revolution in India or the Phillipines tho -- but maybe an independent American working class party could coordinate with them and make it harder for reactionaries in those countries to go after them.

              • Vncredleader
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                3 years ago

                They are actively carrying out revolutions though. A protracted people's war is a revolutionary struggle, and an ongoing one

      • Alex_Jones [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        That's an amazing point. Putting a bandaid on one problem would only lead back to the same bullshit somewhere else. We've gotta have a united front. Thanks for the perspective, comrade!

        • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Someone posted this earlier and I've been finding tons of choice cuts all day

          A revolution was necessary for the Chinese working class to gain power, and demonstrate the fearsome seriousness with which they would exercise it. After tragic failures, however, they corrected course. In the 1980s, they demonstrated flexibility in learning from the enemy. Then, throughout the 2010s, they corrected course again, reaping victories earlier sown. The Communist Party never ceded the power that they sacrificed so much to obtain. Conversely, the Western working classes never even tasted power, just concessions.

          The New Deal was a concession, anything Bernie managed to do would be a concession until the ghouls went in with the heart attack gun (or just the propaganda gun) and undid him and all his work.