First of all, they REJECT the labels absolutely.
Second of all, you don’t even need to be politically literate to understand that they’re not socialist. And no, it’s not because “marx’s theories are outdated and socialism has been updated.” ITS BASIC FUCKING HISTORY.
The US had several fucking nukes pointed at the USSR. Multiple times the world almost ended because of ideological conflicts. Latin American and Asia were invaded, interfered with, and openly and proudly.
So why the FUCK would the US be allies with socialist countries now? Why would they share intelligence with Canadians if they’re socialist? Despite trading heavily with China, the US still have nukes pointed at their country. They have soldiers stationed near their borders. Why isn’t the Canadian-US border heavily militarized? Why aren’t there nuclear submarines patrolling near their waters?
YOU IDIOT
ITS NOT SOCIALIST
THATS WHY
It doesn't help that Bernie and AOC and the likes tend to do it. To use a debate bro term, they use a motte-and-bailey tactic in which they put forth some vision of socialism but when engaged critically, they retreat to a simpler position ("we just want socialism like Sweden has", etc.)