There's some mild transphobia here, so be wary. It's very tame by Ovarit standards though. The whole thread is fucking hilarious. Some highlights:
Well (I know this is rambling)...what if that's us? What if we ARE living in the final days of Rome? What if humans refuse to recognize man, woman, sex, facts... What if we are among the last sane people left?
Because of course the thing that's going to kill our civilization is trans people existing.
I can't speak for other countries but I think the political state in the US is closer to communism than liberalism. Liberals used to defend free speech and political opposition. We're now living in a world where political opposition is defamed if not squashed outright. Freedom of speech is an illusion at this point. People are being fired for wrongthink. People are being censored. Huge institutions are telling lies and falsehoods and demanding the public play along. Books are being banned. Women are being dehumanized. History is being rewritten. Sorry but I'm a fatalist and this shit is a slippery slope that you can't come back from. If we continue to slide we'll end up in a communist state.
Hahahahahahaha. Ha. I just can't with this, it's so wrong on so many levels.
China will start a war while the West is crying about pronouns and then we'll have something more important to care about.
Because we gotta have "China bad" in here somewhere! Just classic.
If respecting my trans comrades was all it took to achieve communism :meow-hug: :knifecat: :porky-scared-flipped: :meow-knife-trans:
What if we ARE living in the final days of Rome?
Narratives about Rome falling due to "moral decay" or whatever are pure I D E O L O G Y and have no basis in historical reality.
It is also funny because they can't actually explain to you when Rome fell. Like Constantinople fell in 1453 and I don't recall queers having anything to do with it.
Theodosian walls were finally cracked after the trans-ally ottomans painted the bombards in :trans-specter: colours.
Prove me wrong, I dare you. :meow-knife-trans:
I mean we are living in the final days of Rome. Ancient Rome was also an imperialist power that hit the limits of where it could expand and ate itself. Morality has nothing to do with it, the moral sins were largely baked in centuries ago when we looted the planet.
@ComradeCmdrPiggy why did u sign me up for this without consulting me beforehand :soviet-huff: Like I'm down but check in first before u spread rumors about me.
Did u think Eco was me, cause she's the one who said she'd destroy Luxembourg
Books are being banned. Women are being dehumanized. History is being rewritten
how long until they start comparing themselves to jews in nazi Germany, wearing stars like the anti vaxxers did?
Also do these people really call themselves radfems but define being a woman as having a vagina and making babies?
The more i learn about TERFs, the more i'm convinced the RF stands for real fascist. OP's quote is completely identical to what a nazi would say about :freeze-peach:
yeah that caught my eye too. its legitimately Obama era crypto fash rhetoric, about how letting the 'untermensch' have their way is the slippery slope towards societal collapse. you could see this exact same take online all the time in 2013-2015
Honestly makes me wonder if there's a TERF to nazi pipeline, if there's nazis using the whole TERF thing to agitate or if they're deliberately copying agitation strategies from fascists.
It is also classic fascist projection because they have succeeded in intimidating school boards across the county into banning queer friendly books.
I don't think I've ever actually met a trans person and I doubt that these losers have either. Absolute non issue. A small minority of people changing their gender is not going to bring about collapse. It just isn't.
Yeah definitely fair and tbh I started to feel like I was speaking out of turn, as I'm not trans. So I appreciate the perspective
That said, I did just realize I'm aware of at least one so oops.
Nice bait but that's what "think" means. I'm unaware of any. It's entirely possible, but then that just goes back to my point of "this is a dumb thing to worry about."
It's not a bait, that's just some weird ass phrasing considering you don't have any idea whether you've met a trans person. Plenty of trans people live stealth and don't feel the need to disclose
It's not, but this seems to be where you're at with it so :shrug-outta-hecks:
The issue as I see it (not that I would've personally said anything) is "I don't think I've met a trans person" downplays the idea that you could've met a passing trans person and not known. If you understand that trans people make up roughly 1 in every 100~200 people, you realize that eventually you will see or meet one. I think phrasing it instead as "I've never met a visibly trans person" or "trans person who was vocal about it" or "trans-presenting person" better includes the fact that you probably have in fact met a trans person and just not recognized the encounter as such. I think there are probably issues with all the suggestions I just gave too though, they kind of focus on clocking trans people as a way to recognize them which is problematic in itself.
Edit: Just to add, I think the language around this stuff is still imperfect and evolving so my intention isn't to brow beat comrades into "saying the right words" but to foster thought about how to best talk about these kinds of things
Ok, I have the energy to explain. @Bernies3trlnKielbasa, you probably want to read this too.
When you say "I don’t think I’ve ever actually met a trans person and I doubt that these losers have either", it comes across as "there are so few trans people that they basically don't exist". But that's not true. We exist, and there are more of us than you'd expect.
I guarantee you've talked to a trans person. You just didn't know they were trans. We're fairly invisible in public life quite a lot of the time, not least because cis people try very, very hard to pretend we don't exist. And it's exactly playing into that erasure when you imply that you've never met a trans person, when in fact, the probability is quite high that you have.
It's very normal phrasing to communicate what I wanted to communicate and which you have demonstrated that you understood accurately.
I don't know what your beef is here. :shrug-outta-hecks:
I eagerly await them accusing a blocky looking cis woman of being trans and getting a shoe thrown at them.
That was actually an issue in Arizona after they banned trans athletes from competing in sports. Bunch of teenaged cis women (who had muscles from, you know, being athletic) got harassed by Sports Parents for not sufficiently conforming to their gender expectations.
Probably lower velocity than the Bush shoe toss, but at closer range so it balances out.
Because of course the thing that’s going to kill our civilization is trans people existing.
o7 to my trans comrades -- keep up the good work
Thinking about the plot of Idiocracy but with trans people instead and pissing, shitting, and farting myself.
What if we ARE living in the final days of Rome?
Good.
If we continue to slide we’ll end up in a communist state.
Good.
China will start a war while the West is crying about pronouns
Y'know what? GOOD!
