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I don't think I have to explain why this doesn't represent the majority of anarchists but if you say it does you're just being insufferable on purpose
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I don't think I have to explain why this doesn't represent the majority of anarchists but if you say it does you're just being insufferable on purpose
There are people on this very site who see themselves as "antinatalists". If that's not an idea that's alien to most of humanity, I don't know what is.
Not wanting to have children doesn’t equal wanting to murder them.
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very true, the intent is to prevent the suffering of mortality from ever having to happen in the first place, not to inflict more death. any already living thing deserves all the comforts in the world to help cope with inevitable death, even though this is often unpractical.
I don't want to have kids and I approve Brak's message.
Not what I'm saying.
stop ridiculing people for thoroughly discussed and thought out philosophical positions that you have literally never read anything about challenge
seriously, you do this shit often enough that i recognize your name attached to ridiculing antinatalism. read a fucking book.
Okay. How is pointing out that antinatalism is very clearly an idea that is alien to most of humanity ridiculing anyone?
Come on, dude. This is not something you say about a position you respect in any way, shape, or form. It is ridicule.
You know that, of course. It's not like you don't know what you're doing. You're just arguing in bad faith now.
You're right, I don't respect it because it's a dogshit "philosophy" that only we priviliged westerners have the luxury to contemplate.
Yeah, you're right, the nature of consent and whether we should make massive decisions for other people who are incapable of offering input is just a dumb thing that only we privileged westerners get to think about.
I repeat, read a book. :PIGPOOPBALLS:
Do you think it's realistic that people would stop having children if they just read the right book?
Come on. This is not how things work, and you know it.
I'm trying to think of a fitting analogy for this sentence, but I'm really drawing a blank. It's just such a non-sequitur, brought about by your own proud and willful ignorance. You have literally no idea what you're talking about, you sound exactly like the average republican chud talking about socialism. Like, you heard the word "antinatalism" and then you invented in your own head what it means, independent of anything else, and then decided it was bad and wrong. And when other people go all :jesse-wtf: because you're operating on a definition absolutely no one else in the world uses, you just get even more condescending and double down on your ignorance.
The "privileged western" perspective is to have extremely strong opinions on things you literally know nothing about.
Read a book. :PIGPOOPBALLS: :PIGPOOPBALLS: :PIGPOOPBALLS:
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How the fuck are you defining alien here? Antinatalism's not really that obscure, in a lot of ways it's been more prominent than a lot of the left for a while. I don't exactly subscribe to it, but it being less popular than the alternative does not mean it's alienating, very few people who aren't like ethnonationalists or whatever ideology that demands population growth are going to be outright appalled by antinatalism. It's about as "alienating" as fucking pineapple on pizza, it's not really comparable to saying infanticide is good actually regardless of context.
Oh, it isn't? Go ask a farmer in Nigeria, a fisherman in Brazil, or a factory worker in Indonesia about the philosophical concept of antinatalism.
You think they'd have any idea what you're talking about? You think they would give a shit?
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Yeah, I'm definitely the one "selling people short" here. Sure.
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I'm not saying they would be unable to comprehend it. Quite the opposite. I'm saying they would clearly understand it and then correctly brush it off as the western nonsense it is.
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Looks a lot like the vast majority of influential antinatalist "philosophers" are from either western europe or north america.
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The vast majority of people on the planet wants children because that's just how people work. Even in the middle of famines and genocides people procreate. You are never going to change their minds by introducing them to some obscure doomlord anti-human "philosophy".
Antinatalism will never gain any real world relevance. And that's a good thing.
I'm honestly surprised that this shit is even allowed on a supposedly socialist website. How is the antinatalist argument"people should not have children" practically different from the eco-fascist argument "the population needs to be culled"?
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Everyone who does not want to have children isn't acting in accordance with "human nature" isn't a take I would expect on a socialist website.
Something being alien and something being alienating are different things.