:desolate:

I don't think I have to explain why this doesn't represent the majority of anarchists but if you say it does you're just being insufferable on purpose

  • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    There are people on this very site who see themselves as "antinatalists". If that's not an idea that's alien to most of humanity, I don't know what is.

      • nergal [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        very true, the intent is to prevent the suffering of mortality from ever having to happen in the first place, not to inflict more death. any already living thing deserves all the comforts in the world to help cope with inevitable death, even though this is often unpractical.

      • D61 [any]
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        3 years ago

        I don't want to have kids and I approve Brak's message.

    • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      stop ridiculing people for thoroughly discussed and thought out philosophical positions that you have literally never read anything about challenge

      seriously, you do this shit often enough that i recognize your name attached to ridiculing antinatalism. read a fucking book.

      • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Okay. How is pointing out that antinatalism is very clearly an idea that is alien to most of humanity ridiculing anyone?

        • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          There are people on this very site who see themselves as “antinatalists”.

          Come on, dude. This is not something you say about a position you respect in any way, shape, or form. It is ridicule.

          You know that, of course. It's not like you don't know what you're doing. You're just arguing in bad faith now.

          • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            You're right, I don't respect it because it's a dogshit "philosophy" that only we priviliged westerners have the luxury to contemplate.

            • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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              3 years ago

              Yeah, you're right, the nature of consent and whether we should make massive decisions for other people who are incapable of offering input is just a dumb thing that only we privileged westerners get to think about.

              I repeat, read a book. :PIGPOOPBALLS:

              • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                Do you think it's realistic that people would stop having children if they just read the right book?

                Come on. This is not how things work, and you know it.

                • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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                  3 years ago

                  Do you think it’s realistic that people would stop having children if they just read the right book?

                  I'm trying to think of a fitting analogy for this sentence, but I'm really drawing a blank. It's just such a non-sequitur, brought about by your own proud and willful ignorance. You have literally no idea what you're talking about, you sound exactly like the average republican chud talking about socialism. Like, you heard the word "antinatalism" and then you invented in your own head what it means, independent of anything else, and then decided it was bad and wrong. And when other people go all :jesse-wtf: because you're operating on a definition absolutely no one else in the world uses, you just get even more condescending and double down on your ignorance.

                  The "privileged western" perspective is to have extremely strong opinions on things you literally know nothing about.

                  Read a book. :PIGPOOPBALLS: :PIGPOOPBALLS: :PIGPOOPBALLS:

    • Helmic [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      How the fuck are you defining alien here? Antinatalism's not really that obscure, in a lot of ways it's been more prominent than a lot of the left for a while. I don't exactly subscribe to it, but it being less popular than the alternative does not mean it's alienating, very few people who aren't like ethnonationalists or whatever ideology that demands population growth are going to be outright appalled by antinatalism. It's about as "alienating" as fucking pineapple on pizza, it's not really comparable to saying infanticide is good actually regardless of context.

      • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Antinatalism’s not really that obscure

        Oh, it isn't? Go ask a farmer in Nigeria, a fisherman in Brazil, or a factory worker in Indonesia about the philosophical concept of antinatalism.

        You think they'd have any idea what you're talking about? You think they would give a shit?

              • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                I'm not saying they would be unable to comprehend it. Quite the opposite. I'm saying they would clearly understand it and then correctly brush it off as the western nonsense it is.

                  • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    Looks a lot like the vast majority of influential antinatalist "philosophers" are from either western europe or north america.

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Something being alien and something being alienating are different things.