Welcome to the bad parts of "trading and having deplomatic relations with literally every country or possible party" and "not supporting or promoting subversion of the status quo on any foreign country no matter what that may be". Thats the strict party line for decades now and China wont openly side with radical anti colonial or liberatory movements on foreign countries, it just will be there to ally with them and support them and persue bilateraly beneficial relationships if and when they succeed and wont overthrow or supress them.
The results are cringe toothless stances on issues like this which are around the average socdem position worldwide. The days of exporting revolution and supporting "subversive" to the domestic status quo movements worldwide are gone with Mao. Maybe if and when China comes out on top of this new cold war and is able to remap its foreign policy ,soft power and projection based on the new global status quo and completely on its own terms things may change, In this case it may mean the likely scenario that Israel will progressively be less able to be maintained and supported as a highly militarized and subsidized by the US hegemony protectorat and China not caring to "adopt" and use it in the same way
Unless this response is meant as a general statement ,it has little to do with my comment
I literally call it a bad ,cringe and toothless socdem stance and there isnt a hint of supporting or justifying it, let alone not being critical
and saying
Maybe if and when China comes out on top of this new cold war and is able to remap its foreign policy ,soft power and projection based on the new global status quo and completely on its own terms things may change, In this case it may mean the likely scenario that Israel will progressively be less able to be maintained and supported as a highly militarized and subsidized by the US hegemony protectorat and China not caring to “adopt” and use it in the same way
is miles appart from you saying
every bad china take is supported by essentially ‘ok but when they win and hit the socialism button they’ll be perfect’...them eventually becoming anti-imperialist is not supported by anything they have done. socialism in one country, perhaps. global anti imperialist? there is no evidence for that besides our dreams.
which feels like a response to what i said and would be putting way too many words and assumptions in my mouth. What i said doesnt even presume a socialist China, let alone an actively anti-imperialist one. I think my presumption is pretty realistic all things considered
Which leads to a last point ,thought i generaly agree with what you say. China's rise and success diminishing and overturning the golbal US military, imperialist and economic hegemony while China itself remains at worst as it is today (not actively anti-imperialist but also not imperialist in any significant and interventionist capacity) is itself one most impactfull and important anti-imperialist changes and wins in history, for billions of people and hundreds of countries. Even if it doesnt come from China having or persuing an active anti-imperialist agenda. The end or at least the diminishing of an era of the tens of millions of deaths due to Western imperialism, hundreds of millions of lives ruined, countries destroyed and impoverished, regions distabilized, governments overthrown and couped, dictatorships backed and trained, torture genocidal wars doesnt require China becoming communist and globaly anti imperialist and perfect. Just not becoming exponentially,hillariously worse and more imperialist and interventionist than it is now . Almost every single socialist or anti-imperialist country or movement or project from Cuba to Bolivia to Rojava to Venezuela would be in a much much better position ,materialy ,deplomaticaly ,economicaly and geopoliticaly with no multi level interfeerence and aggression by global hegemony .
You dont have to dream about socialist or ideologicaly anti imperialist buttons and transformations to see the very likely possibility of China being semi-passively the catalyst of a huge and world changing blow to the grip of global imperialism
Welcome to the bad parts of "trading and having deplomatic relations with literally every country or possible party" and "not supporting or promoting subversion of the status quo on any foreign country no matter what that may be". Thats the strict party line for decades now and China wont openly side with radical anti colonial or liberatory movements on foreign countries, it just will be there to ally with them and support them and persue bilateraly beneficial relationships if and when they succeed and wont overthrow or supress them.
The results are cringe toothless stances on issues like this which are around the average socdem position worldwide. The days of exporting revolution and supporting "subversive" to the domestic status quo movements worldwide are gone with Mao. Maybe if and when China comes out on top of this new cold war and is able to remap its foreign policy ,soft power and projection based on the new global status quo and completely on its own terms things may change, In this case it may mean the likely scenario that Israel will progressively be less able to be maintained and supported as a highly militarized and subsidized by the US hegemony protectorat and China not caring to "adopt" and use it in the same way
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Unless this response is meant as a general statement ,it has little to do with my comment
I literally call it a bad ,cringe and toothless socdem stance and there isnt a hint of supporting or justifying it, let alone not being critical
and saying
is miles appart from you saying
which feels like a response to what i said and would be putting way too many words and assumptions in my mouth. What i said doesnt even presume a socialist China, let alone an actively anti-imperialist one. I think my presumption is pretty realistic all things considered
Which leads to a last point ,thought i generaly agree with what you say. China's rise and success diminishing and overturning the golbal US military, imperialist and economic hegemony while China itself remains at worst as it is today (not actively anti-imperialist but also not imperialist in any significant and interventionist capacity) is itself one most impactfull and important anti-imperialist changes and wins in history, for billions of people and hundreds of countries. Even if it doesnt come from China having or persuing an active anti-imperialist agenda. The end or at least the diminishing of an era of the tens of millions of deaths due to Western imperialism, hundreds of millions of lives ruined, countries destroyed and impoverished, regions distabilized, governments overthrown and couped, dictatorships backed and trained, torture genocidal wars doesnt require China becoming communist and globaly anti imperialist and perfect. Just not becoming exponentially,hillariously worse and more imperialist and interventionist than it is now . Almost every single socialist or anti-imperialist country or movement or project from Cuba to Bolivia to Rojava to Venezuela would be in a much much better position ,materialy ,deplomaticaly ,economicaly and geopoliticaly with no multi level interfeerence and aggression by global hegemony .
You dont have to dream about socialist or ideologicaly anti imperialist buttons and transformations to see the very likely possibility of China being semi-passively the catalyst of a huge and world changing blow to the grip of global imperialism
you're off the deep end dude