and Harris or Buttigieg will easily win in 2024/2028.
Is this "a win" and "great for business" in the dem sense where they'll pull a lot of donor money during the campaign but will eat shit in November so Dems don't have to govern and get more money from people so they can performatively "resist"
No, I mean that them winning will be better for global Capital than a Republican winning, and also that Harris or Buttigieg will easily wipe the floor with any Republican they run against in 2024/2028.
What are black voters gonna do, vote for. Republican? No. Low primary support doesn't mean black voters won't do their duty in November. The GOP's base is literally dying, and they will die as a party soon.
This reeks of lib cope — based on how badly the Dems got steamrolled in elections this year and how everyone's doing in the polls, two candidates that are despised after four years of dem leadership accomplishing nothing are very unlikely to win.
I'm being a bit satirical, but I do genuinely believe that Harris or Buttigieg would cruise to victory in 2024/2028 against literally any Republican. The Democrats have this shit far too "on lock" for the Republicans to win the Presidency again for the foreseeable future (down allot races get murkier the lower you get). The whole reason they freaked out over Trump was because it was an upset to the "models", but they fixed that with the Biden patch.
It doesn't matter what black voters "like" - they're a captive audience politically speaking, and there will always be an excuse on why souls need to go to the polls for some asshole no one likes. Many of the dumbass libs who lurk here will happily trot out whatever the DNC party line is come election time, with the necessary caveats to sound "down" ("I know electoralism doesn't work, but we will push them left/we have to fight fascism!") like clockwork.
I strongly disagree with your assessment — I think it lacks historical and material analysis of things like how badly Biden/Dems/et al have been eating absolute shit in polls especially in swing states, how Dems need to have like a +3 margin to win anything because of the electoral college and gerrymandering, and how everyone's material conditions continue to get worse (which foretells a change in ruling party).
I don't know where you're getting the idea that Dems have anything "on lock" given how badly they've been eating shit, from losing an unlosable election in 2016 to sleepy Joe nearly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory (significantly underperforming polls for "generic democrat" vs trump in the general) and would've if not for how bad material conditions got with the historic pandemic. Look at how badly the elections in VA went this month, and how drastically districts that went heavily-biden flipped.
They're paid to lose and they're very good at it.
I don't really have much interest in discussing electoralism but I'd encourage you to think more materially about them instead of ideologically.
I think you're confusing my statements with ideological support for the Democrats - I hate the Dems and will never vote fornthem. Skip to the bottom if you want my serious "material" analysis of how the 2 party system works.
how badly Biden/Dems/et al have been eating absolute shit in polls especially in swing states
Polls don't mean shit, they might mean *less" than shit given how huge the election betting/prediction market is and how easy it is to manipulate data to make money on the spread. Demographics is destiny, and demographics are on the Dems side for Presidential races.
They’re paid to lose and they’re very good at it.
I don’t really have much interest in discussing electoralism but I’d encourage you to think more materially about them instead of ideologically.
If say the same to you, hoss. From a material basis, both parties need the other one to exist in order to justify fundraising and the media spectacle. Democrats are good at losing certain races.
IMO Democrats are meant to be the "executive" while Republicans are meant to dominate the judiciary with the legislative branch in constant gridlock. The reason is that the Democrats are good at clamping down on the crazies, respecting norms and as you said, losing. That's exactly who you want as the executive to make the country look good, and to promise things to the ordinary people that you know can't be delivered by some loser ass Democrat (because the President can't actually do anything or they get called a King).
Meanwhile, you let the Republican psychos loot shit behind the scenes in the courts and use that as an excuse why Democratic congress members can't do shit. It's also easier to push through crazy stuff because it's easier to gerrymander small races.
Evergreen reminder that "material conditions" have nothing to do with electoral preferences either.
Doomed? Either one will be great for business and Harris or Buttigieg will easily win in 2024/2028.
Is this "a win" and "great for business" in the dem sense where they'll pull a lot of donor money during the campaign but will eat shit in November so Dems don't have to govern and get more money from people so they can performatively "resist"
No, I mean that them winning will be better for global Capital than a Republican winning, and also that Harris or Buttigieg will easily wipe the floor with any Republican they run against in 2024/2028.
Not disputing your first point but:
:doubt:
Outside of PMC dorks they have virtually no support, and both do very poorly with Black voters in particular
What are black voters gonna do, vote for. Republican? No. Low primary support doesn't mean black voters won't do their duty in November. The GOP's base is literally dying, and they will die as a party soon.
:cringe:
This reeks of lib cope — based on how badly the Dems got steamrolled in elections this year and how everyone's doing in the polls, two candidates that are despised after four years of dem leadership accomplishing nothing are very unlikely to win.
I'm being a bit satirical, but I do genuinely believe that Harris or Buttigieg would cruise to victory in 2024/2028 against literally any Republican. The Democrats have this shit far too "on lock" for the Republicans to win the Presidency again for the foreseeable future (down allot races get murkier the lower you get). The whole reason they freaked out over Trump was because it was an upset to the "models", but they fixed that with the Biden patch.
It doesn't matter what black voters "like" - they're a captive audience politically speaking, and there will always be an excuse on why souls need to go to the polls for some asshole no one likes. Many of the dumbass libs who lurk here will happily trot out whatever the DNC party line is come election time, with the necessary caveats to sound "down" ("I know electoralism doesn't work, but we will push them left/we have to fight fascism!") like clockwork.
I strongly disagree with your assessment — I think it lacks historical and material analysis of things like how badly Biden/Dems/et al have been eating absolute shit in polls especially in swing states, how Dems need to have like a +3 margin to win anything because of the electoral college and gerrymandering, and how everyone's material conditions continue to get worse (which foretells a change in ruling party).
I don't know where you're getting the idea that Dems have anything "on lock" given how badly they've been eating shit, from losing an unlosable election in 2016 to sleepy Joe nearly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory (significantly underperforming polls for "generic democrat" vs trump in the general) and would've if not for how bad material conditions got with the historic pandemic. Look at how badly the elections in VA went this month, and how drastically districts that went heavily-biden flipped.
They're paid to lose and they're very good at it.
I don't really have much interest in discussing electoralism but I'd encourage you to think more materially about them instead of ideologically.
I think you're confusing my statements with ideological support for the Democrats - I hate the Dems and will never vote fornthem. Skip to the bottom if you want my serious "material" analysis of how the 2 party system works.
Polls don't mean shit, they might mean *less" than shit given how huge the election betting/prediction market is and how easy it is to manipulate data to make money on the spread. Demographics is destiny, and demographics are on the Dems side for Presidential races.
If say the same to you, hoss. From a material basis, both parties need the other one to exist in order to justify fundraising and the media spectacle. Democrats are good at losing certain races.
IMO Democrats are meant to be the "executive" while Republicans are meant to dominate the judiciary with the legislative branch in constant gridlock. The reason is that the Democrats are good at clamping down on the crazies, respecting norms and as you said, losing. That's exactly who you want as the executive to make the country look good, and to promise things to the ordinary people that you know can't be delivered by some loser ass Democrat (because the President can't actually do anything or they get called a King).
Meanwhile, you let the Republican psychos loot shit behind the scenes in the courts and use that as an excuse why Democratic congress members can't do shit. It's also easier to push through crazy stuff because it's easier to gerrymander small races.
Evergreen reminder that "material conditions" have nothing to do with electoral preferences either.