Mostly dunking on the upper post. Thread about tipping in /r/antiwork. The juxtaposition that happened here is something. Thread for reference.
that upper post is almost a copypasta at this point i've seen like 2 dozen variations of it in every reddit article anywhere that brings up tipping. at least in antiwork they are downvoted
It's just missing a reference to a heckin' doggo chungus
Redditors can seemingly only understand something if it’s compared with Japan
Hahaha, imagine thinking service workers "make bank". This person is so full of shit. How much do people like this think it costs to live?
Imagine not knowing if you were going to make enough in tips to be able to make rent while working one of the most exhausting jobs in the world, that's how fucked up it is
Paying people so little that they have to beg to survive is fucking evil. No excuses.
Banter has nothing to do with it. It's entirely based on clientele and location. You can be a rude asshole working at the right location and still make good money.
If you want good money you'll get it at the tourist holes where they come flush with cash or at the service watering holes where all the waitstaff go when they get off. They always tip the best because they are flush with cash from tips and understand the relationship.
A mutually enjoyable transaction is when I sit on ur face, not when u make 2 dollars and hour for ur labor and need to rely on the generosity of customers giving donations (which ur boss probably skims some off the top) to make enough money
So much of this boils down to "Is my take-home pay sustainable?"
Like, I honestly don't give a fuck if my employer is paying me out of the receipts or the client is paying me directly. All I care about is whether I'm pocketing enough money to pay my bills. Top commenter clearly is. Bottom commenter... not sure this person has ever worked service.
I dated a girl who lived out in Tomball, northwest of Houston. She waited tables. Absolutely hated the Sunday crowd because they never tipped. So she was making min-wage after twelve hours on her feet and hated it. She worked it through college and then got "a real job", vowing to never do that shit again.
Meanwhile, I have a friend who does liquor distribution and is friends with a bunch of bar tenders and other service workers at high-end spots like Vic & Anthony's and Papa's Steakhouse. These guys bring home $80k+/year for a job they've been doing since high school working 3 days/week. They're what my friend calls "Lifers" and they treat waiting tables as a career precisely because of the money they make by way of gratuity.
It's two entirely different worlds. But the disparity isn't in wages v gratuity. It's simply high pay versus low pay.
Even then, lots of those "good" serving jobs are rare and hard to get. You need to be in a high class establishment that serves tourists, or a low class establishment that serves other waitstaff (always flush with cash).
There's also the fact that you have to manage your tax burden, I know tons of people that don't even make enough salary to cover their taxes on tips and end up underwater at the end of the year. You get used to it, but it really screws over a lot of newer folks.
When I was delivering pizza I made about $15/hr after tips and expenses. Would have been about $12/hr if I paid for the vehicular insurance that was technically required.
My girlfriend makes about $25-$35/hr serving at a fancy tourist place that does weddings, but scheduling is all over the place, so she might get 70 hour weeks or she might get 10 hour weeks. There's also a pecking order with the old heads getting all the good shifts.
Sure. Lots of trade off in the service sector all around.
I just get the sense that one's opinion of the field has far more to do with your own relative success in it than in the field itself. Like, the problem with tips isn't that you don't get a living wage. The problem is that lower class service jobs don't have clientele tipping generously.
Exactly, it's a system that keeps managers directly control wages of employees with shifts and sections. Literally dividing workers against each other.
Unrelated but am i the only one who feels like antiwork went from being overrun by fake text posts to fake selfposts after they contained the former?
Nah the two genders of that sub are when you bring up the gender wage gap and half of them turn turn into frothing neoclassical economists.
Gig apps in a*s have gone some ways to normalising tipping here and it irks me to no end
