No I will not explain myself.

  • silent_water [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    unlike voting, learning to use linux has material benefits on your life. it's not really an option for everyone and I don't bother to recommend it to anyone who doesn't already have some basic technical competency but if you can clear that hurdle, it's just a better way to live. but I also recognize I'm the worst person to have this conversation because I made the switch 16 years ago and I just no longer recall what the process of getting proficient is even like. so YMMV

    • blobjim [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Using Linux will have almost no benefit on most people's lives. No non-tech person is going to learn Linux so they can use shell commands 🤡or for some nebulous "privacy" 🤡

      The word "privacy" is sometimes used by techie people the way "freedom" is used by imperialists, AKA having no meaning at all.

        • blobjim [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I mean I don't know what those examples you gave are, every browser tracks history, and every browser lets you turn it off, and they aren't part of the OS. And no OS "tracks mouse clicks" beyond delivering them to programs, because that would be a keylogger lmao.

          But what I mean is that "privacy" for 99.9% of people is literally meaningless. Because having no internet privacy will make no difference in their lives ever. It only matters if you could be targeted by the government. Or maybe if there's some kind of security breach and collected sensitive telemetry is retrieved, but that has only happened a couple times and I don't know that it was used for anything. A decent reason to have more "privacy" I guess. But also still meaningless in the case of whatever a company like Microsoft collects.

          Having more "digital privacy" will change a person's life in absolutely no way whatsoever. So asking them to change to a new OPERATING SYSTEM for a non-existent benefit is ridiculously out of touch (and in all likelihood will actually cause more problems (like data loss) caused by the difficultly of using Linux desktops and the unfamiliar environment).

          Honestly, a better suggestion would be to suggest Windows software that is a better alternative to Microsoft or other predatory-monetization software. Like suggesting people turning on some feature in their email client or using PGP, or switching to a different browser, or using a different messaging app. Using PGP email with friends with a desktop email client like Thunderbird instead of unprotected Gmail would do more for privacy than lots of other stuff. Or disabling certain ad settings in the Google account settings. All of these things increase "privacy" more than switching to Linux. Also, tell people what registry keys to change to disable stupid Windows features. I know I was able to use a registry change to get rid of the search bing from the start menu "feature".

          If Linux was good enough for desktop use, there would be lots of companies or universities actually using it for that. There might be some tech companies like Google using Linux. Probably not much outside of that.

  • unperson [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    :downbear:

    You could use the operating system that's developed out in the open and designed to give the community all it needs to support itself, and then I'll gladly help you because it's easy for me and starts a virtuous circle in which you later can help others and improve the software in the commons.

    Or you could ask me to work for a mega-corporation and guess what a closed-source secret piece of :pigpoop: is trying to do, getting paid nothing at all while helping entrench their monopoly.

  • ImSoOCD [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Also I’m so tired of watching people complain about Windows and then doing nothing when it’s at max a couple hours of their life to do so. Voting will not make politicians less corrupt. Installing Linux will absolutely make Microsoft spy on you less.

    • ImSoOCD [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Yeah the strategy is to just be That Person and let people approach you to ask questions

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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    3 years ago

    Installing Linux is something you do for part of one day maybe every two years.

    All the other days are open for using and promulgating FOSS.

    • effervescent [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Frankly if Linux came preindtalled on computers like Windows and Mac do, no one would complain. The idea that you should have to install an operating system at all is foreign to most people

    • blobjim [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Installing Linux is something you do every day after you install it lmao. Can't even change mouse scroll speed 🤡🤡🤡

  • LGOrcStreetSamurai [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The anytime a verb or command is modified by "just", I trust whomever is speaking less in general. Very little in life is simple as "just". Not even "just keep truckin'" is that simple. Trucking is a complex profession.

    • ImSoOCD [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Yeah I mean if you’ve never installed an operating system before it can take quite a few hours, but the process has gotten a lot easier. Once you have the ISO downloaded it should consist mostly of flashing a hard drive, plugging it in, and following the directions on your screen. I could easily walk someone through the process in a short session. I would never want to teach someone to drive a semi in a similar amount of time

      • LGOrcStreetSamurai [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah I mean if you’ve never installed an operating system before it can take quite a few hours, but the process has gotten a lot easier

        That's kinda what I mean. I'm not saying you're saying this, however that's what I mean. When people say "just XYZ" sometimes people have to go through the rest of the alpahbet to get to XYZ y'know? That's what I hate when liberals and their brood say "Just vote" or "Just budget your expenses" or whatever, it's hardly as simple as "just".

        • ImSoOCD [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          Yeah that’s valid. That’s probably something that can get lost in translation with the shitposting too. I’m trying to imagine teaching my mom to install Linux. I could do it, but to get her to the point where she could do it on her own would be quite the endeavor. At the same time, I generally assume people on this site are more tech savvy than my mom and are also more likely to be fed up with Microsoft and their horseshit

          • LGOrcStreetSamurai [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I’m trying to imagine teaching my mom to install Linux.

            Ya love to see it :rat-salute: .

            At the same time, I generally assume people on this site are more tech savvy than my mom and are also more likely to be fed up with Microsoft and their horseshit

            Also valid and very true.

  • OllieMendes [he/him,any]
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    3 years ago

    Windows keeps forgetting which program I told it to open a JPG with and asks me to specify it again every now and then. But vibogame

  • SocialistWombat [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    This is counter-revolutionary thought. Please hand yourself in to your nearest Linux Enforcement Officer for re-education. Do not resist. The penguin SWAT team has been dispatched to your home.

  • thisismyrealname [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    :downbear:

    unless you're installing Arch or Gentoo it will almost always take the same amount of time to install Linux as Windows