Like, advanced technology, focusing entirely on intercrew arguments, (terrible dialogue and cheesy action), ships flying sideways, no knowledge of ship operations and procedures. Magic technology. Blasters of different colours so we can tell good guys from bad guys. Robots and drones. Really, that's the big one.

If you hate star trek so much Kurtzman, just make a different show.

  • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Imagining a better future is an inherently revolutionary endeavor. It's step 1 of convincing society to revolt.

    Roddenberry's Star Trek, while problematic and sexist, was a vision of a better future for humanity. Our late capitalist overlords don't like this. They love to make dystopian films about climate hellscapes, because it's a form of manufacturing consent for the future they want. They want to make our society into a place where all we do is relive nostalgia for a past that never existed, rather than built a brighter future for humanity. Facebook Meta is following this path already, launching a few years after Ready Player One. That movie pretends it's a dystopia, but what they really want you to think is "isn't all this tech cool?" to prep you to consume more Facebook garbage.

    • Mabbz [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      i think youre overestimating "our late capitalist overlords" a bit. Action sells, happy endings sell, philosophical dramas don't. 2049 flopped, ready player one was a financial success. One was filled with pop culture references, the other was bleak and nearly 3 hours. Making things dumber & easier to understand will usually get you more money.

      Anyway, imagining a better future or a worse future are both leftist perspectives, because as you said, a better future is revolutionary, while a worse future is usually from the perspective of someone suffering from capitalism, but it doesn't matter as long as opportunistic producers make either one marketable. :porky-happy: That's the beauty of capitalist realism.

      • Duckduck [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        I miss the days of hour and a half movies. It's just such a time sink to sit in front of a three hour movie and get invested in it. Because so many of them aren't worth the effort. When Tarantino made Pulp Fiction, it was awesome because that two and a half hours were worth it. The only thing better than good movie is even more good movie. But everyone else doesn't have the talent.

        I watched a John Candy movie recently. It was splendid. 88 minutes and I was out of there.

    • SaniFlush [any, any]
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      3 years ago

      It's a bit sad when The Orville is more optimistic than Star Trek, and more willing to tackle sensitive subjects.

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        The Orville is literally the only real Trek. It's just gone from the Star Trek franchise.

        • ssjmarx [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I've heard people say the same thing about Lower Decks too. I wonder what it says about society that our most hopeful view of the future is the background for comedy sketches.

    • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      "Roddenberry's Star Trek" is kinda misleading. His being the visionary architect of the utopian future is a result of his creating and then believing a cult of personality surrounding him. He would basically just tell audience members at conventions stuff about his vision of Star Trek that he thought that audience wanted to hear while doing a lot of dope and drinking a tonne between 1966 and 1986. When TNG roled around everyone including him had been tricked into his snake oil show a bit and gave him too.much trust leading to the first two seasons of TNG and the worst aspects of them. He was a big part of what Trek is but far from deserving of the credit he gets and he deserves a lot more criticism.

      • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        his creating and then believing a cult of personality surrounding him. He would basically just tell audience members at conventions stuff about his vision of Star Trek that he thought that audience wanted to hear while doing a lot of dope and drinking a tonne

        Sounds an awful lot like another guy :posadas:

        • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          Well, Roddenberry apparently was a Maoist when he died according to Majel Barret. I'm guessing that meant Maoist and not Mao Zedong Thought to some extent as well. Gene was a wacky doodle dandy in many many ways

      • Duckduck [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        The first two seasons of The Next Generation had awesome music. Something that disappeared after that.

        • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          I totally agree. They had a change of head composer after those seasons and also cause Rick Berman wanted the music to not be noticeable.