(yeah i know leftbook is generally bad and no i didn't expect anything better but still)
Yes, employers should be paying delivery drivers way more instead of other working-class people making up the difference. Yes, the US system of tipping and the fact that service workers rely so heavily on tips is fucked up. No, that doesn't give you an excuse to not tip the person who's bringing you your treats.
Multiple people called this meme "ableist" and "classist" :agony-shivering: and even more are saying "delivery driving's way easier than making the food and sometimes they deliver it to the wrong place!!! so they don't deserve to be paid more!"!!
If your arguments sound exactly the same as a chud's, you are not a leftist, you are a propaganda mouthpiece for billionaires that would love to see you drop dead. Shut the actual fuck up you PMC radlib swine. /rant
Poor people don't even deserve a cheaply made fast food meal?
I have to agree with the sentiment that the boss stealing their labour should be paying them more.
its not cheaper. as soon as you involve doordash or whatever its way more expensive than just going to get the food, which is principally why I hardly if ever use those apps
their bosses should be paying them more but that doesn't change the reality that american service workers get fucked and part of their payment is foisted upon the customer. It's not uncommon for restaurant workers to get half minimum wage for example and make most of their money on tips.
You're basically coercing those workers to forgo part of their payment to deliver food to you if you dont pay a decent tip bc the employer isn't giving them shit usually. None of the people whining about this on leftbook are about to do anything to change it tho.
I do work for Uber Eats on the side and yes, and I don't expect the dude living off disability that just wants to stay in tonight and have some cornslop for once to tip as much as some executive that wants to shout their staff some shitty treats. Tip according to your ability, I'm not going to judge poor people for that.
I dont know what the disparity is between what people in australia and people in america get just hourly from uber eats but I bet its much worse for americans than australia as the tip thing is actually more of a "tip" for you guys and in the uk and europe. In the US its usually a major part of service workers income and necessary.
obviously there can be some difference in the disability guy and an executive thats obvious, what this meme is talking about is if you can't afford the bare minimum tip which in the us is usually 20% than you shouldn't be using the sservice bc you're actually costing the worker money.
Yeah, you're right there is a big difference in the function of tips in Aus compared to the US, I didn't think about that. Sorry.
it's fine, most people from countries more civilized than us don't know just how trash we treat our service workers.
They're trying to bring American tipping culture here which kind of scares me.
I'm sure the capitalists are salivating at the idea of lessening their responsibility to their workers.
Hope yall can resist it o7
I thought Aus would be more like US/Can in that regard. But if y’all are better off then kudos.
i would imagine aus would be more like the uk and the eu. Tipping isn't as much of a necessity there bc they never took advantage of the great depression to pay their workers fuck all. It's one of those things that it's just completely wild the us gets away with honestly
Didn’t know tipping was related to the Great Depression goddamn. Would love to learn more if you have any resources.
Ok so I found this . (at work so i dont have a lot of time to vet it)
Apparently like most things wrong with america, it traces back to slavery:
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Holy shit damn. :amerikkka:
can't say im shocked tbh lol
Jesus fuck :what-the-hell:
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that's the story of it anyway, i don't have any resources at hand, it definitely could be urban legend.
But as i've heard it told, restaurants couldn't afford wages for workers so they started letting them keep tips as a means of income and that's where the sentiment that tips were necessary and not just for "extra good service" grew and then they just held on to it and never wanted to bring wages back up, so they've always paid like half the minimum wage.looks like it was slavery
Everyone my age made like 2 bucks an hour at some point working for applebees lol
Yeah in Aus tipping just isn't a thing. Driving for Uber is the first time I've ever been tipped (and I've worked in service before) and even then it's like... $2 maybe twice a week.
here you get a base pay per trip that amounts to like a 1.50-2 or something, i think depending on region, and the rest of you income is based on tips.
Holy shit that's so little... I get like paid $6 per delivery by Uber and that's increased depending on how far I have to drive.
This makes total sense now, holy shit. I hope we don't end up like America, those poor fucking drivers, I wonder how many of them know how hard Uber is stiffing them compared to here.
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apparently americans can get a mileage rate as well but it isn't based on actually mileage lol. I'm having trouble seeing if this is a given tho. seems it may be folded into a "trip supplement" payment that can include a lot of things outside the base pay. Idk seems like they purposefully keep this shit vague so they can pay whatever they feel lol
This portion of your payout considers the mileage between pickup and dropoff points.
The Uber app, however, uses the most efficient rate.
It does not track the distance that you actually travel.
It also does not consider the mileage that you travel while getting to your next pickup point.
You should also note that this rate is only applicable in certain cities, such as New York and Los Angeles.
You may want to look into whether Uber offers mileage pay in your respective city.
When you sign up to drive, you’ll receive more information about your delivery location and respective pay rates.
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This was what it was like delivering pizzas in aus in 00s. It was that or piece rate per delivery. I think it's changed since, but it's a rough gig
yeah my roommate in and after college worked at a pizza place for too long and thats how it was for him. i think they made like a couple bucks or so plus tips. He eventually graduated to making like 9 bucks working inside as a manager
Remember kids, kill your local franchisee
15pct tbqh
i dont know what this means
I think it's "15 percent, to be quite honest" - at least that's my best guess.
that's what i assumed too but I meant more the base pay, me and dirt_owl sorted that tho.
It maybe be more expensive money wise, but it takes time (and transportation) to go out. I'm work from home, so I can genuinely see the benefit of me ordering food on company time, getting off work (or not), eating, and being free to do something I enjoy, rather than waiting to get off work just so I can drive somewhere and back. Cooking can also eat up time.
the key is whether or not you're paying the tip to make it worth the workers time
if you make enough money that you can say shit like "well my time is more valuable" than you can afford to tip properly (impersonal you here)
I wasn't justifying not tipping, but ordering food. Ordering already (nominally) pays for the cost of delivery. Judging poor people for using a system that benefits them, just because they "can't afford it" is the same justification libs use about iphones.
And just to say, I'll be the first lib here to go to the :gui-better: for being "rich", so I tip and tip well/cash whenever I can. But I hate it and feel bad for anyone who can barely afford "nice" things in the first place, only to be expected to pay even more because of a fucked up system.
are you american? It doesn't in america. In america you get a base pay of less than or up to 2 dollars to make the delivery the rest is your tips.
tipping sucks its a bad system. But what the meme is railing against is some people order food and NOT pay any tip which actually ends up costing the worker money. So my original thing about the amount of money is, if you can't afford the tip at all, just go get your own food. If you can, then that's cool.
just bc it charges for delivery doesn't mean more than 2 bucks is going to the employee. You got a lot of faith in tech bro companies
Gig economy dont treat their workers as full employees in america, they've spent a LOT of money and energy lobbying to keep from being beholden to this. THE ENTIRE gig economy movement is first and foremost about undoing the weakest bit of pro-labor laws we have left from FDR's admin.
There is ZERO justification for this. Tip or you dont get the treats, any mental gymnastics to justify this shit is justifying taking advantage of some of the most underpaid and marginalized workers in our system
Oh I don't for a second believe any of the money I give to gig companies go to workers. But it should. But tipping is just subsidizing them not paying.
And really? "Tip or you dont get the treats"? Guess poor people shouldn't interact with anything from Amazon to Debbie's Bookbarn since they all exploit workers and all contribute to jackboot politicians. Real :improve-society: vibes.
Except by not paying workers to personally deliver your treats you are directly taking part in exploiting them where in those examples its just their employers. With service workers your patronizing of them is the majority of their income and withholding that and going "ummmm well its not my fault they're actually coming out of pocket to deliver this burger to me" is not justification for it
In america we're subject to the tip system thats the bottom line. one should have solidarity with their fellow worker and help them at their job not take advantage of the system to get shit out of their fellow worker at their expense and bending over backwards looking for laws where employers should do one thing or another to justify not tipping, especially when you can go get it yourself as an alternative.
You got real "never worked for tips" vibes
been poor my whole life have you? the point is if I am poor, and i'm getting paid to deliver shit, and some dumbass doesn't pay me to deliver it i'm gonna be pissed. And it's a shitty thing to do.
tipping should be abolished, but not paying them isn't some "vote with your dollar" shit whereby not "supporting it" is gonna fix it. What kind of smooth brained libshit is that? lmfao
see that you do