I've thought about this a lot too, because it really feel similar to being gaslit. We're told we're being too radical or whatever and it seems like most people really do believe that. So it's hard pretty normal to have the reaction of "Wait, am i the one in the wrong?" and the answer is probably no.
Firstly, most of us what want idealogically, other civilizations have established at some point in their history - communalism and caring for the poor and sick. That's not radical or extreme, that's like, a lot of indigenous tribal culture and those values are expressed in even smaller communities as well such as smaller radical churches and so on. Plus like, the actual close-to-communist countries that exist and provide those things to their people with no problem. So it's not like the idea of communism is super extreme out there, it's just in our culture it seems extreme.
Secondly, ethics and applied moral philosophy exist and use logical, reasoned arguments to show that ethically, we should minimize or reduce harm to others and prevent the spread of harm. We also know that there is no way to have ethical consumption under capitalism. Therefore, logically we are in the right to pick the more ethical and least harmful option of government and stop capitalism.
Finally, this is perhaps the weakest logical argument but the nature of communalism is closest to human nature. Like think of how much indoctrination goes into making someone a soldier or how much propaganda is used to turn people chuds or libs that are selfish and cruel because they've been taught that's how they're supposed to be to their "lessers". 99/100 people are against communism because of some lie they believed. Which is exactly why people are afraid of bernie saying the scary S word but polling consistently shows that even most americans support increasing minimum wage, free healthcare, more say in their company, free housing etc.
So i mean, we don't have to fucking lie or indoctrinate people to get them to believe what we do - we just show them actual facts, point out where the propoganda has been tricking them, and introduce people to some theory and educate them. I've actually changed my mind on several issues since joining Chapo because of that, and can now back up all my stances with information supporting my points instead of just some vague "all guns bad" (as one example) thinking i had as a lib
I've thought about this a lot too, because it really feel similar to being gaslit. We're told we're being too radical or whatever and it seems like most people really do believe that. So it's hard pretty normal to have the reaction of "Wait, am i the one in the wrong?" and the answer is probably no.
Firstly, most of us what want idealogically, other civilizations have established at some point in their history - communalism and caring for the poor and sick. That's not radical or extreme, that's like, a lot of indigenous tribal culture and those values are expressed in even smaller communities as well such as smaller radical churches and so on. Plus like, the actual close-to-communist countries that exist and provide those things to their people with no problem. So it's not like the idea of communism is super extreme out there, it's just in our culture it seems extreme.
Secondly, ethics and applied moral philosophy exist and use logical, reasoned arguments to show that ethically, we should minimize or reduce harm to others and prevent the spread of harm. We also know that there is no way to have ethical consumption under capitalism. Therefore, logically we are in the right to pick the more ethical and least harmful option of government and stop capitalism.
Finally, this is perhaps the weakest logical argument but the nature of communalism is closest to human nature. Like think of how much indoctrination goes into making someone a soldier or how much propaganda is used to turn people chuds or libs that are selfish and cruel because they've been taught that's how they're supposed to be to their "lessers". 99/100 people are against communism because of some lie they believed. Which is exactly why people are afraid of bernie saying the scary S word but polling consistently shows that even most americans support increasing minimum wage, free healthcare, more say in their company, free housing etc.
So i mean, we don't have to fucking lie or indoctrinate people to get them to believe what we do - we just show them actual facts, point out where the propoganda has been tricking them, and introduce people to some theory and educate them. I've actually changed my mind on several issues since joining Chapo because of that, and can now back up all my stances with information supporting my points instead of just some vague "all guns bad" (as one example) thinking i had as a lib