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  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    If you hit it off and she's not against leftist unity, go for it. Not everyone has to agree 100% with the party line of the SU in March 1953. Plenty of people date succdems or anarchists or leftcoms and it works out fine. We're all less edgelordy offline where we have to live together.

    And you know, Trots sometimes come out with good things, like their critique of the nomenklatura being a bunch of detached asshats looks fucking good after 1992.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Trotsky and later Trots critique Stalin on a few major points, one is branch stacking the party with unideological loyalists to gain control (this is 70% being butthurt because Trotsky was doing more or less the same thing, only he wasn't Party Secretary.)

        The other is Stalin reducing direct worker control of production and heavily centralising control under a state apparatus of party nomenklatura, a process already started under Lenin (the just-so story goes he began it after his train almost fell off a recently "repaired" bridge and someone described the bridge construction quality as "Soviety".)

        We can argue if Stalin had a real choice here, or if Trotsky would really have allowed the level of worker control later Trots imply, but Trotsky claims that the creation of this technocratic loyalist apparatus without ties to the Old Bolsheviks would ultimately result in the Soviet Mid-Upper Leadership being apathetic and detached ideologically from the Soviets themselves, and result either in them becoming a new ruling class (as the Cliffites argue) or capitulating to the capitalists for more wealth (as actually happened.)

        The Soviets did recognise this and try to counter with intense ideological education, but it rapidly became rote learning. Mao also criticises this lack of leadership involvement with the actual workers day-to-day struggle, which is what lead to the Mass Line concept.

  • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    date hasn't even started and you're already better at dating socialists than obama

  • RNAi [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    She's obviously a fed, relax, be yourself and have fun!

      • Sklorp [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        too low an opinion of Beria

        Is such a thing possible?

          • Sklorp [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            Even assuning he wasn't a complete monstrous beast, and the rape, paedophilia, serial murder, and personal delight in torture are made up, he still tried to Gorbachev the situation

  • Lerios [hy/hym]
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    3 years ago

    I don't really know the first thing about all the 101 flavours of communist and the in-fighting that comes along with them, but :party-blob: on the date comrade! Hope it goes well, sounds promising

        • Mardoniush [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          Yes, his testament (which probably isn't a fake like some claim.) Basically says

          "Trotsky and Stalin are super smart but one is a massive nerd who alienates everyone he meets and the other is just a little too keen on the consolidation of personal power. I'd say not to make either of these leader, but let me first run down the list of the rest of you chucklefucks to show you just what a bunch of incompetent losers you all are. Try to rule together, don't fuck it up even though you totally are going to."

  • PrideBoy [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Bring flash cards that all just say “don’t say anything stupid” on them. it will be funny

  • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Congrats, bro. Just try to relax, like physically. Everything else will follow from that.

  • Phillipkdink [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Try to focus on the positives of Trots - they are often more seriously dedicated to reading theory, they have had actual electoral success putting actual socialists in office in the US, etc.

    If you really believe in left unity, give Trots a chance, a lot of them are good leftists and as interested in leaving historical beefs in the past as you are.