https://lemmy.world/post/10897935
Can we call Americans who renounce their citizenship defectors too
Ooh, hell yeah. Literally thousands of people are defecting from the US every year. Failed totalitarian dictatorship my people yearn for freedom no food etc etc
As of May 15, 2023, a total of 5,315 US citizens have renounced their US citizenship in 2023. This is a significant increase from the 2,390 US citizens who renounced their citizenship in 2022. [source]
The number of North Koreans who defected to South Korea tripled last year, as the easing of border closures imposed during the Covid-19 pandemic encouraged students, women and diplomats to make the perilous journey. At 196…
Why would people want to leave the greatest, most democratic country on earth? Even in relation to population the DPRK is clearly more democratic and popular if this is the unit of measurement, and this isn’t even counting the second half of 2023 for the U.S.
USA has 12 times their population but 27 times (per capita) citizen renouncement rate.
It costs money to renounce US citizenship, make of that what you will. I think it's like $500, but I'm not sure.
Exactly, the Biden regime is holding dissidents hostage.
You’d also have to pay exit taxes on any assets you’re bringing with you when you go, I think. I think financially the costs of renouncing far outweigh the benefits, most people who emigrate to live in other countries never renounce their citizenship.
all your assets. not just the ones you take with you
The US Exit Tax, or Expatriation Tax, is levied on individuals renouncing their US citizenship or green card. Governed by IRC Section 877A, this tax is specifically designed for high-net-worth individuals. It ensures that their worldwide income and assets are taxed prior to exiting the US tax system.
EDIT: the statute is at https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/877A
What a weird way to run things. I renounced my Japanese citizenship because the Japanese Foreign Ministry was harrassing my mum about it, and we did have to go to the consulate and fill out a frankly miniscule amount of paperwork and pay no money.
US citizens are required to pay taxes to the US even if they don't live in the country anymore. That's why they do it like this.
According to Hexbear, it’s actually the UN which is preventing North Koreans from leaving their country.
Silly Hexbears, why would they think that?
ban on DPRK chartering of vessels and aircraft; ban on operating DPRK vessels or using DPRK flags
Introduces a ban on Member States from providing work authorizations for DPRK nationals
Requires countries to expel all North Korean laborers earning income abroad immediately
Where the fuck are China and Russia? These passed the security council with no veto?
Russia is not going to stick its neck out for the DPRK, it's a state run by cynical mafiosoes. The only way that the Russian Federation gives a shit about the DPRK historically is simply wanting it to keep existing as a buffer against the US and its proxies for China, which as we have seen the sanctions have not stopped.
The PRC is trying to pick its battles (you will see that in the meetings connected to these, the PRC typically strongly discouraged the measures and called them needlessly escalatory). China almost never vetoes by itself, only vetoing when someone else also does (usually Russia), probably in large part because it tries to maintain a reputation of respecting the agency of other countries and not just crassly abusing its power like the US does, which is part of why it is able to position itself as a peace broker and engage in bilateral agreements with third world nations and so on. At least, this is a charitable reading consistent with what the PRC itself says, there are other readings as well.
I think there is a decent chance of vetoes in the future based on the warming relation between the DPRK and Russia, and I expect China to also veto these sorts of measures if Russia does.
I would have thought that Russia would have vetoed out of spite against the US at least, but maybe these are old enough that they still deluded themselves that they could coexist with the west?
there are other readings as well.
Having the rest of the world cut North Korea off gives China exclusive access to their markets and resources?
Yeah, though the DPRK is notoriously poor in terms of natural resources. It could also be the PRC flatly throwing the DPRK under the bus for realpolitik reasons (which is still like half true in the more optimistic reading).
The U.N is a joke as is. The blowhards who preach about law and order are the same ones that sew lawlessness and disorder. With or without the existence of the U.N, the western powers would do exactly the same thing to the DPRK.
And with or without the U.N China and Russia don't actually give a shit and allow the DPRK to do exactly what they're "not allowed to do" since they share borders with them and the U.S under Biden or any president can go piss upwind if they think they can force the RF, the PRC, and the DPRK to do its bidding.
They do for sure do trade with the DPRK in spite of these UNSC resolutions but surely many smaller countries that would do business with the DPRK also are discouraged by the resolutions?
Not to mention Russia is going to be responsible for linking occupied Korea with the DPRK via trade over time the same way Taiwan is being brought back into the fold
And also anything that indicates NK is less than perfect means you’re racist, colonialist, and white. And its not true. And it’s the CIA doing a coverup/false flag.
No, you racist dog, nobody thinks the DPRK or any other country is perfect (cue Moleman), but if you think Kim Jong Un is feeding teenagers to starving dogs for wearing the wrong haircut you're definitely a racist and that's where like 95% of the west including everyone in that thread is at.
Precisely, but that's the strawman that people conjure up about Hexbear. We must all worship at the altar of Russia, China, Cuba and NK and they are literally infallible and can't possibly make a single bad move.
Thinking that we might have nuanced opinions on these countries, and critically analyse information to realise they're not the fucking otherworldly demons that western propaganda paints them as, takes brainpower they don't seem to spare.
Despite professing a fetish for nuance, they all suddenly pretend to be dumb as dogshit when describing the positions of people to the left of them, demonstrating the very inability to grasp nuance that they ascribe to their political opponents, or anyone who refuses to see the nuance in supporting genocidal fascists. They project their mindless shallow nationalism, full of platitudes and willful blindness, onto people who actually know what they're talking about. They can't imagine that the cartoonish image they have of the rest of the world is wrong, so they double down on assuming that we see what they see, and just love it. "The monstrous caricature in my head is real, and you worship it."
You can see this with chuds of all stripes. It's not that I've been lied to about the 2020 uprisings, they really did burn all those cities to the ground, and those looney leftists love it!. The world is your oyster when your epistemological starting point is "I'm obviously already right and know everything I need to know on this subject, so anyone trying to learn more about it is actually being brainwashed by The Enemy."
Like the fundamentalists who will never not be convinced that atheists worship the devil the same way they worship their god. They, the best and smartest people on Earth, cannot imagine a worldview devoid of uncritical worship, so anyone who claims to have one must be deceived, a deceiver, or both.
those damn hexbears, citing their sources. why can't they just be normal and believe complete nonsense based on reddit comments?
Woaw 61 people defected to the south last year, North Korea is truly done for silly tankies
The only reason 25M more people haven't followed is because North Korea Tyrannical Dictatorship Starved To Death Dog Cannon Great Wall Communist No Freedom
And also anything that indicates NK is less than perfect means you’re racist, colonialist, and white. And its not true. And it’s the CIA doing a coverup/false flag.
Love how they smugly paint this complete strawman as if what they beleved about North Korea was any less crazy.
They think their unhinged claims are criticism. It's not criticism to say the DPRK is a monarchy, or that it's illegal to get a high top fade. That's just baseless nonsense.
Their news comm has a rule against reproducing the article in the post yet they have a LLM bot summarize the entire thing. I sincerely doubt that they even read their own articles.
Ok but did it triple compared to the pre-covid numbers or is this compared to the post-covid numbers?
Serious question since DPRK lockdowns will have drastically reduced the number leaving the country. Thus any increase being framed as "tripled" may just be a return to normal levels.
Seoul say it tripled from 67 to 196. Where pre-pandemic levels were ~1000/year.
So it's effectively negligible, possibly even within the margin of error.
im renouncing my utopian ideals in favor of wanting a small chunk of earth set aside for liberals to be put in the exact dreary dystopia they make up in their stupid childish brains
Do I really care what a group of people old enough to be my father have to say about us?
I give them three days before someone makes a “you have been banned on r/Pyongyang” joke
