To add a bonus hot take to this: I think western liberals (and some socialists) being all yaaaas kween about muslim women wearing hijabs is cringe as fuck. Like yeah I get it's not a straight forward issue especially when muslim women wear it in western countries where it's frowned by reactionaries upon but don't pretend you wouldn't call that shit internalized misogyny in an alternate universe where the West is muslim. That's not to say white people should be tut-tutting muslim women about it but the other extreme is also pretty cringe and I feel we're way closer to that.
So it’s really important to them but they also are kinda “whatever” about it?
That's kind of just how people work isn't it?
It gives them some comfort but at the same time the details are whatever. Christians for example could twist themselves up in knots trying to reconcile this and that in the bible, but they usually excuse them with some thought terminating cliche, even to themselves.
Caring about this religion or that is a bit of an idealist notion anyway, so I think it's more like we don't think there is much to be gained from that analysis. Religion, like everything else, comes from and is molded by material conditions so looking there is usually more interesting.
See the “organized” part is the part that I understand much more. Believing in magic is, to be frank, silly. Having a place you go weekly that gives you a community structure largely lacking from capitalist society? Totally get it, kinda jealous honestly.
I see, I was more disparaging grand scale religion, like megachurches, and the Catholic church. Religion can foster a sense of community, but so can other things, like political organizing (sometimes based) and sports (mostly cringe).
But yes, if all you have is capitalist atomization then organized religion is better.
Spirituality is also foreign to me, except when I get help from shrooms.
Religion is sus
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To add a bonus hot take to this: I think western liberals (and some socialists) being all yaaaas kween about muslim women wearing hijabs is cringe as fuck. Like yeah I get it's not a straight forward issue especially when muslim women wear it in western countries where it's frowned by reactionaries upon but don't pretend you wouldn't call that shit internalized misogyny in an alternate universe where the West is muslim. That's not to say white people should be tut-tutting muslim women about it but the other extreme is also pretty cringe and I feel we're way closer to that.
That's kind of just how people work isn't it?
It gives them some comfort but at the same time the details are whatever. Christians for example could twist themselves up in knots trying to reconcile this and that in the bible, but they usually excuse them with some thought terminating cliche, even to themselves.
Caring about this religion or that is a bit of an idealist notion anyway, so I think it's more like we don't think there is much to be gained from that analysis. Religion, like everything else, comes from and is molded by material conditions so looking there is usually more interesting.
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extremely
Spirituality is fine to me. Organized religion is bullshit, except the Sikhs, they seem cool.
See the “organized” part is the part that I understand much more. Believing in magic is, to be frank, silly. Having a place you go weekly that gives you a community structure largely lacking from capitalist society? Totally get it, kinda jealous honestly.
I see, I was more disparaging grand scale religion, like megachurches, and the Catholic church. Religion can foster a sense of community, but so can other things, like political organizing (sometimes based) and sports (mostly cringe).
But yes, if all you have is capitalist atomization then organized religion is better.
Spirituality is also foreign to me, except when I get help from shrooms.
I mostly agree
All hierarchies
hey they said no politics
Everything is either politics or piss
binchses who aint hear of bahai'ism say: