Why? He's still a kid. He's a violent and dangerous kid, but still. We should not be ambiguous about these things. Man.. fuck, 17 is so fucking young. Most of the anger should be directed at his parents and the system that made this behaviour possible. He's a nothing but a tool to them.
Not that there is any hope of justice in this system. But giving a 17 year old prison for life or something comparable seems insane, no matter the crime (and to be frank, also uniquely American).
What should happen to a 17-year-old who travels to another state with a gun with the explicit intent of killing protesters, and then murders two people? What would other countries do in this situation?
Trial him as a minor. Not have arbitrary laws that say "oh he felt adult" and adjust your penalty to that. That's the reasoning used against black teenagers all the time. It's what's used in rape defenses.."she looked older". Fuck that. It's wrong then and it's wrong now.
For all its dumb flaws in a capitalist "justice" system, treating kids different than fully grown adults in their capability to judge the world and how intensely they are influenced by it, is not the worst thing.
Fuck the kid but fuck everyone who made him this way even more. Fuck everyone who made it possible for him to have a gun. Fuck everyone who made him regard other people as lesser life.
He's a tool. That's how everyone on the right is treating him. A tool that fulfilled their wildest most racist dreams. There is no humanity left. Focusing on his deeds is precisely the way to distract from the underlying cruelty that made him possible.
I'm not American or a lawyer, but from some of the things I'm reading it seems like depending on age or the crime or criminal history some states have laws that literally remove those cases from juvenile courts' jurisdiction.
Some states don't even allow juvenile court for anyone 16+ regardless of the charge, I don't know if the state he is from mattered or if WI has those specific legislative bits. It seems that in many cases involving firearms or murder the question of juvenile or adult trial is determined by the law beforehand and not by the lawyers or judges.
I think in a good world he would be tried as a child and everyone involved in making him into a murderer (whoever radicalized him, gave him access to a gun, encouraged him to shoot people, etc) would be tried as an accessory to murder, but in a good world this shouldn't happen.
I'm conflicted, because my opinion is usually that trying a teenager as an adult is almost always bad. This should probably be an exception though
Why isn't the teenage murder penalty enough? (I don't know enough about the law to know what happens in both cases)
Why? He's still a kid. He's a violent and dangerous kid, but still. We should not be ambiguous about these things. Man.. fuck, 17 is so fucking young. Most of the anger should be directed at his parents and the system that made this behaviour possible. He's a nothing but a tool to them.
Not that there is any hope of justice in this system. But giving a 17 year old prison for life or something comparable seems insane, no matter the crime (and to be frank, also uniquely American).
What should happen to a 17-year-old who travels to another state with a gun with the explicit intent of killing protesters, and then murders two people? What would other countries do in this situation?
Trial him as a minor. Not have arbitrary laws that say "oh he felt adult" and adjust your penalty to that. That's the reasoning used against black teenagers all the time. It's what's used in rape defenses.."she looked older". Fuck that. It's wrong then and it's wrong now.
For all its dumb flaws in a capitalist "justice" system, treating kids different than fully grown adults in their capability to judge the world and how intensely they are influenced by it, is not the worst thing.
Fuck the kid but fuck everyone who made him this way even more. Fuck everyone who made it possible for him to have a gun. Fuck everyone who made him regard other people as lesser life.
He's a tool. That's how everyone on the right is treating him. A tool that fulfilled their wildest most racist dreams. There is no humanity left. Focusing on his deeds is precisely the way to distract from the underlying cruelty that made him possible.
I'm not American or a lawyer, but from some of the things I'm reading it seems like depending on age or the crime or criminal history some states have laws that literally remove those cases from juvenile courts' jurisdiction.
Some states don't even allow juvenile court for anyone 16+ regardless of the charge, I don't know if the state he is from mattered or if WI has those specific legislative bits. It seems that in many cases involving firearms or murder the question of juvenile or adult trial is determined by the law beforehand and not by the lawyers or judges.
I think in a good world he would be tried as a child and everyone involved in making him into a murderer (whoever radicalized him, gave him access to a gun, encouraged him to shoot people, etc) would be tried as an accessory to murder, but in a good world this shouldn't happen.
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