I have tried to engage with some of the self-identified libertarians and conservatives.
One, I talked to a bit about the areas where we have common interest, and also how contrary to what he said initially that things like queer issues are absolutely relevant to labor issues, and he agreed with me.
Another, I talked to about how a good portion of the things they say that people call them a Trump supporter for -- that our government is corrupt and out of touch and not worth saving, and that the CIA and FBI are tools of tyranny -- actually gives him a lot of common ground with communists, and that the other points he brought up (mostly financial policy issues) are actually very minor issues compared to the others he talked about. Then he went on a bizarre incel rant, saying that because girls value money over looks that he was fully against anything that would involve taking the money he has saved up as part of "courting" some poor woman.
I don't know what to think. Should we make state-provided girlfriends part of the platform?
First one is kind of why I'm interested in seeing this develop. If the conservatives drawn to the sub are the textbook examples of false consciousness that I've seen, then they can be pipelined. As long as they can keep a handle on bigotry and keep a consistent message, it might be a net benefit, or at least better than the "any mention of lenin in any context other than calling him a redfash tankie is bannable" of antiwork.
Do they agree with you on anything except one or two extremely propagandized wedge issues? Then you can probably work on them overcoming these one or two cases of brainworms and turn them into a comrade.
Do they agree with you on one or two issues that directly benefit them and are otherwise fully indoctrinated, committed status quo supporters? Then don't waste your time with them.
I have tried to engage with some of the self-identified libertarians and conservatives.
One, I talked to a bit about the areas where we have common interest, and also how contrary to what he said initially that things like queer issues are absolutely relevant to labor issues, and he agreed with me.
Another, I talked to about how a good portion of the things they say that people call them a Trump supporter for -- that our government is corrupt and out of touch and not worth saving, and that the CIA and FBI are tools of tyranny -- actually gives him a lot of common ground with communists, and that the other points he brought up (mostly financial policy issues) are actually very minor issues compared to the others he talked about. Then he went on a bizarre incel rant, saying that because girls value money over looks that he was fully against anything that would involve taking the money he has saved up as part of "courting" some poor woman.
I don't know what to think. Should we make state-provided girlfriends part of the platform?
We should make a form to apply for one and just shoot anyone who fills it out
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Yes but the girlfriends are just body pillows of Sarah Palin.
first one can be worked on, the second needs a LOT of work but is prob not worth it
First one is kind of why I'm interested in seeing this develop. If the conservatives drawn to the sub are the textbook examples of false consciousness that I've seen, then they can be pipelined. As long as they can keep a handle on bigotry and keep a consistent message, it might be a net benefit, or at least better than the "any mention of lenin in any context other than calling him a redfash tankie is bannable" of antiwork.
You should that person is a fucking weirdo
Same as with liberals:
Do they agree with you on anything except one or two extremely propagandized wedge issues? Then you can probably work on them overcoming these one or two cases of brainworms and turn them into a comrade.
Do they agree with you on one or two issues that directly benefit them and are otherwise fully indoctrinated, committed status quo supporters? Then don't waste your time with them.