I actually went from being a dumb 4channoid in the right wing pipeline to a borderline Red Fash. I'm only semi joking, I seriously think the majority of people in the West™, myself included honestly are going to need to be put into fucking line before we destroy (or well, finish it off) the planet.
It's honestly hard because the mechanisms that would have caused your politics to become more conservative have now disappated. What the fuck are you gonna do? Keep paying rent well into your 60's? lol...
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I legit think sometimes I might be drawn to Left Wing Authoritarianism/Tankie mode is because I put all my skill points into Physical Instrument
I seriously think the majority of people in the West™, myself included honestly are going to need to be put into fucking line before we destroy (or well, finish it off) the planet.
yeah, I agree. We need the forces of nature to humble the fuck out of us, but it might be too late by the time things get to that point.
I used to be the kind of euphoric neoliberal techbro that would have gone all in on believing the billionaires destroying the planet were actually its only hope.
Life and time changed that.
I don't think it's really that possible for most people (apart from failsons with dads that own boat dealerships, or richer than that) to be comfortable and placated enough to get more right wing except out of fear, hate, and ignorance. They're enough, sure, but there really isn't that much else for the right wing to offer the masses except easy enemies to hate in response to complex problems.
I personally don't aspire to authoritarianism, as I hate being told what to do but I'm pretty realistic just from having worked a lot: most people can't really be trusted (for many reasons, largely not due to their own shortcomings I think) and any kind of effort to steer society away from capitalism is going to necessisitate a lot of very, very heavy handed behavior for a time. Just look at anti-vaxxers in the USA. Are you just going to ask them to fucking stop? What about the people clear cutting forests? The guys who habitually underpay and exploit labor?
I think it's just that a lot of dumb 4channoids tend to be weirdo edgelords (which never left me, I'm just grotesque about it) and as such aren't really enamored or impressed by "civility" and I tend to feel some anarchists/liberals I've interacted with are extremely naive with regards to hyooman nature. If you spent your formative years looking at fucked up shit on /pol/ you can pretty quickly realize that humans are capable of some monstrous shit and that Nazis and the right in general tend to lean into the worst of that (and I know this to be true because I've posted with those assholes) so it becames very hard to want to confront that kind of evil with anything but equal and greater force. Even fucking Fanon makes mention of that.
Beyond looking at like gore and liveleak I've personally just had a lot of negative experienced with humans in general so like....I'm not convinced everyone can be "talked" to or reasoned with, and while I'm scared of engendering the same abuses we have now like there are only so many ways to deal with people who refuse to get their shit together
I actually went from being a dumb 4channoid in the right wing pipeline to a borderline Red Fash. I'm only semi joking, I seriously think the majority of people in the West™, myself included honestly are going to need to be put into fucking line before we destroy (or well, finish it off) the planet.
It's honestly hard because the mechanisms that would have caused your politics to become more conservative have now disappated. What the fuck are you gonna do? Keep paying rent well into your 60's? lol...
spoiler
I legit think sometimes I might be drawn to Left Wing Authoritarianism/Tankie mode is because I put all my skill points into Physical Instrument
yeah, I agree. We need the forces of nature to humble the fuck out of us, but it might be too late by the time things get to that point.
I used to be the kind of euphoric neoliberal techbro that would have gone all in on believing the billionaires destroying the planet were actually its only hope.
Life and time changed that.
I don't think it's really that possible for most people (apart from failsons with dads that own boat dealerships, or richer than that) to be comfortable and placated enough to get more right wing except out of fear, hate, and ignorance. They're enough, sure, but there really isn't that much else for the right wing to offer the masses except easy enemies to hate in response to complex problems.
I also took the 4chan-to-leftist pipeline as a teenager. I wonder if there is something about that route that produces more authoritarian leftists?
I personally don't aspire to authoritarianism, as I hate being told what to do but I'm pretty realistic just from having worked a lot: most people can't really be trusted (for many reasons, largely not due to their own shortcomings I think) and any kind of effort to steer society away from capitalism is going to necessisitate a lot of very, very heavy handed behavior for a time. Just look at anti-vaxxers in the USA. Are you just going to ask them to fucking stop? What about the people clear cutting forests? The guys who habitually underpay and exploit labor?
I think it's just that a lot of dumb 4channoids tend to be weirdo edgelords (which never left me, I'm just grotesque about it) and as such aren't really enamored or impressed by "civility" and I tend to feel some anarchists/liberals I've interacted with are extremely naive with regards to hyooman nature. If you spent your formative years looking at fucked up shit on /pol/ you can pretty quickly realize that humans are capable of some monstrous shit and that Nazis and the right in general tend to lean into the worst of that (and I know this to be true because I've posted with those assholes) so it becames very hard to want to confront that kind of evil with anything but equal and greater force. Even fucking Fanon makes mention of that.
Beyond looking at like gore and liveleak I've personally just had a lot of negative experienced with humans in general so like....I'm not convinced everyone can be "talked" to or reasoned with, and while I'm scared of engendering the same abuses we have now like there are only so many ways to deal with people who refuse to get their shit together
ive put all my skill points in to Dandy Boy Instrument and I'll still lean that way when push comes to shove