I’m not here to defend Hillary (lmao), but for the sake of it I’ll throw out something that actually WASN’T the fault of her or her campaign: the right wing had spent pretty much three decades absolutely assassinating her character in the media. Not that she didn’t do plenty of that herself, but on top of her genuine evilness, there was a constant stream of propaganda against her for decades. There was probably a floor of 30-40% of Americans that would NEVER have voted for Clinton, no matter what she did in 2016.
It's good to lead off with this if you're having this conversation with a lib. It's true, saying it gives you some credibility, it shows you're not a chud, and it also helps insulate against any sort of accusation of sexism.
Yeah, but I think the right angle is to show all the shitshow that both parties agreed to create. Let them come to the conclusion "Hilldog is a ghoul" by themselves
Hillary is fascinating in the sense that the right loathes her in an way she doesn't deserve and the libs love her in a way she def didnt earn. A mythological figure in American politic.
I’m not here to defend Hillary (lmao), but for the sake of it I’ll throw out something that actually WASN’T the fault of her or her campaign: the right wing had spent pretty much three decades absolutely assassinating her character in the media. Not that she didn’t do plenty of that herself, but on top of her genuine evilness, there was a constant stream of propaganda against her for decades. There was probably a floor of 30-40% of Americans that would NEVER have voted for Clinton, no matter what she did in 2016.
It's good to lead off with this if you're having this conversation with a lib. It's true, saying it gives you some credibility, it shows you're not a chud, and it also helps insulate against any sort of accusation of sexism.
You can't discuss this with a lib, because any criticism shuts down their faulty brain no matter what you do.
Most people here started off as libs (mandatory "most still are").
Yeah, but I think the right angle is to show all the shitshow that both parties agreed to create. Let them come to the conclusion "Hilldog is a ghoul" by themselves
Hillary is fascinating in the sense that the right loathes her in an way she doesn't deserve and the libs love her in a way she def didnt earn. A mythological figure in American politic.