• bananon [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    SMH I can’t believe Chomsky has become such a tankie

  • comi [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Granda still got it :meow-floppy:

  • CrimsonSage [any]
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    2 years ago

    Generally not a fan of Noam, but not gonna lie this is a pretty good take.

    • mrbigcheese [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      he did a good one last year too

      https://truthout.org/articles/chomsky-outdated-us-cold-war-policy-worsens-ongoing-russia-ukraine-conflict/

  • MsUltraViolet [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    but you told us we had to :vote: for the better option, Noam. The better option is in office, why is the bad thing happening, Noam.

  • Multihedra [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    That’s the funny thing about white supremacy, that it’s an idealist philosophy. So, while it certainly affects the world (on inconceivable scales, even), it does so in a relatively uncontrolled manner. That’s because it is based on unsound principles and is therefore unscientific, and consequently cannot understand itself, or the consequences of its actions, in a reliable manner

    Certain historical trends were to emerge that allowed white supremacy to catapult itself into being a very beneficial ideology; societies with largely white populations managed to become immensely more powerful and wealthy, this is undeniable

    But the conditions that allowed white supremacy to thrive (in my mind, almost entirely the ability to do mass violence with impunity) are slowly fading away.

    Regardless, the system runs on the logic of white supremacy and mass violence, so it is enshrined into the logical underpinnings of the system. The logic must accept these outcomes.

    So, whatever the system pursues in a logical manner, it does so with the logic of a segregationist; it knows no other way (because other logics do not lead to a small “white” minority marshaling an inordinate amount of the global resources; you need to latch on to this one, if that’s what you want)

    I would fully expect the logic undertaken by the US to diverge from the logic of someone who opposes white supremacy

    • SaniFlush [any, any]
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      2 years ago

      When does that capacity for mass violence fade? It’s still going…

      • CrimsonSage [any]
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        2 years ago

        It doesn't until capitalism is beaten, because "white" is an imaginary concept that expands and contracts as needed. As far as I can see the only true "non white" other that has held pretty solidly is that of sub Saharan African descent. But even then this category is starting to look more fluid as a domestic African bourgeois continues to gain global power. So who knows.

    • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Why? Gramps has always been pretty consistent when it comes to US/NATO foreign policy.

      Hell he's even been taking the "authoritarian tankie CCP" line when it comes to COVID lockdowns and protocols

    • CheGueBeara [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Chomsky's contradictions are well-known, this is his good grandpa form

  • RainbowDash [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Anyone have the full text for this?

    https://mondediplo.com/2022/02/02ukraine

    Was intthe article and wanted to read it