I believe if life is common than there must of been at least one group of aliens that at least attempted to colonize it self everywhere in space?
Unless humans are a extreme anomaly and that most other aliens don’t really care about space exploration, and just focus on their home planet.
this question implies any alien life would necessarily engage in the most speculative (and insane) works of solar engineering for (infinitely expanding) energy needs. like it honestly pisses me off that people can entertain this idea that some alien must've decided to build a fucking dyson sphere cause that's just what they should do... and this complete speculation is used as 'evidence' in a debate of whether aliens exist? No-one knows how a goddamn different sapient would treat their solar system. We don't even know what the space-footprint of us would be if we had a different dominant culture or economic system!
a bunch of douches in the Great Satan figuring we should blot out the sun to use all its energy as efficiently as possible cannot be assumed to be a natural or logical progression for a species. I, a human person, would personally rip the engineers limb from limb if they got serious about Dyson-ing my God-Sphere
and this side-steps that these assholes assume such engineering is plausible & and possible, something i also heartily contest. like physics works the same everywhere, i don't know where we get off having an expectation of someone being able to build things in space well enough to be perceptible millions of lightyears away, when our species crowning achievement is a million-pound space station that will only exist for 33 years
I agree. The overwhelming majority of creatures on this very planet are completely different from us, if there are aliens anywhere ”near“ us they will be absolutely nothing like we can imagine. We share common ancestors with every life form on Earth, we’ve evolved in comparatively similar environments and yet we are nothing like a tree. You can’t even begin to imagine what a creature would look and act like that evolved on an entirely different planet, completely independently from anything we‘ve ever known.
Trying to predict what alien civilizations would do is like trying to imagine a new color. We have a staggering sample size of one (1) intelligent civilization, ourselves, from which any predictions stem. It’s fun to speculate, but imo it’s ultimately completely pointless because if they’re out there, they’re absolutely nothing like we can expect.
4-limbed bipedal racist sterotype alien :geordi-no:
sapient solar system with a very annoying personality :geordi-yes:
:gold-communist:
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:Nedd-Ludd: :no:
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thus likely preventing life from ever arising in that same solar system, as well.
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i was under the impression that one of the theories for life starting on this planet was that it was spread to earth from elsewhere via comet impact or what have you
idk i just don't think massively retooling entire solar systems is something humans should do on any timeline that makes it worth discussing since we can't even manage to fully understand the ramifications of our actions on this single planet.
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similar to our inability to understand the repercussions of our actions, we have no real ability to discern that with certainty.
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It's not that people think that's something that every alien species would definitely inevitably do, but rather that a dyson sphere (swarm is probably more accurate) is possible with our current understanding of physics and would therefore likely be one of the best things to build for a species constantly seeking to expend its energy output. So if the galaxy were filled with alien species, it would be curious that none chose to do this. It's easy to think of possible reasons why a different alien species would choose not to, it's less easy to think of why every alien species would choose not to.
this word. yeah, a satellite is a real thing. get me a satellite that gathers energy and sends it back. get me one of those whose efficiency makes it worth the fuel & resources to create it. justify millions upon millions more of those. find me a purpose for infinite energy gathering & infinite energy use. And then explain how fusion power planetside isn't suitable/or is less efficient
The power doesnt necessarily have to be sent anywhere, people would probably live on these satellites, manufacturing would happen there, agriculture too, and a population of trillions that signifigantly dims a star could start with a few space homesteaders that becomes an entire culture with growth only limited by the total mass in their solar system.
what kinda shmuck would homestead a satellite. what kinda shmuck-ciety would dedicate the resources to allow said shmuckery
I didn't mean we could start in the near future, just that they don't contradict our current understanding of physics the way, say, FTL travel would. Even if sending the energy back proves to be impossible to do efficiently enough to be worth it, you could probably just use the it there. As far as resources go, the solar system is filled with them. We don't really need Mercury anyway. The purpose doesn't need to be anything beyond meeting the needs of an expanding population. For a space faring civilization, anything planetside is inefficient because gravity. But yeah, it's possible that the answer to the question is that buried in the nitty gritty details of how it would actually be built, there lie challenges that render it completely either impossible or pointlessly inefficient. But that would be curious itself, since it doesn't look like that from here.