I think as far as people on the left are concerned, it doesn't reveal anything surprising. The President was always a figurehead and Capital was always running the show. Seeing the empire administered by the bureaucracies, lobbies, think tanks, and corporations instead of on the direct orders of some guy in a suit might be shocking to some liberals (and therefor, might have some rhetorical use), but it is about the least shocking thing in the world from our perspective.
As far as the people on the right go, Biden can't be portrayed as the personification of evil if it's clear he doesn't even know what day of the week it is. Every failure of the administration needs to be a deliberate act of malice aimed at god-fearing white conservatives in particular. The "Biden's asleep at the wheel" narrative isn't particularly useful for them because once you remove the "great man" from the picture, all you're left with are the underlying systems to analyze. I'm sure it comes up a lot in memes and stuff, but it isn't a thread that any reactionaries with institutional power are particularly interested in unraveling.
Like, if the man at the top doesn't actually matter, what has changed about the justice department or the armed forces between Trump and Biden's administration? Neither Liberals or Conservatives are interested in opening this can of worms because doing so undermines the perceived power of the elected office, and by extension, the perceived power of the electoral process and the perception that we live in a democracy at all. The President must have agency, because if he doesn't, what the hell are we even voting for?
So from the Liberals, we hear the narrative of a cool and collected Biden staring Putin in the eye and winning in a battle of wits when in actuality the Pentagon and NATO are just acting on their own initiative doing whatever the hell they want, and doing it very sloppily. From the Conservatives, we hear that Biden is an evil Globalist mastermind trying to start World War Three while deliberately tying the hands of any patriots who want to prevent the coming White Genocide / Sharia Law / Stalinist Totalitarianism.
What are you asking for? Do you want us to have a minimum amount of "draw a clock" memes on the site at all times? Do you want us to call a meeting of all leftists and put out some propaganda?
We've had senile presidents before though. Reagan was gone during his first term. It's been discussed for decades. But certainly there is some state of the site/internet where you feel that the topic of discussion is discussed enough and I'm asking what that looks like. How are you gauging that it's not a continual topic of discussion? You don't see any recent threads about it so that means it's not being thought about?
I think you're answering your own question. It was everywhere. We got our digs in. We got bored because it wasn't moving the needle and we got some new material. The right definitely does still crack the same joke about him not knowing what day of the week it is. Clock memes have gone the way of gritty memes. We don't have a thread about it everyday for the same reason we don't re-litigate the primaries everyday. The West Wing Thing mentioned it just the other week. It comes up, it's just that we don't have a 100 post discussion about it everyday.
We talk about the Fed and interest rates more because it's currently more relevant given all the inflation stuff. America having a bad president isn't an important historical development. It's always been that way. It's not unexpected.
It's a person asking us why we don't talk about the thing they want to talk about more. It's not the subject that bothers me it's the implication that because OP isn't seeing constant threads about it then it means nobody cares and is okay with it and we're actually all liberal for not talking about it more.
In your OP you said leftists no longer mention it. Now you're more specific saying it's about the media. What media? Podcasts? Jacobin? MeansTV? Breadtubers?
Biden is another bad president. If you think he's uniquely evil or the first president with health issues then you're just plain wrong. Trump wasn't uniquely evil either. You are not the first person to experience living under a shit capitalist government.
You didn't outright call anyone a liberal you just implied that not seeing what you see is like being a liberal.
You feel like you're being gaslighted? I'm agreeing that he's senile. I just don't understand what you're complaining about. You want more discussion about it. Okay, how are you gauging the level of discussion? You don't see enough threads on hexbear.net about it? Are you suggesting we're not talking about it on purpose, just to vex you or that we're too liberal to tell the truth? Are you not seeing enough about it on reddit? Is it the lack of mainstream media coverage you're talking about?
I keep asking you what you want or how you're coming to your conclusions and you aren't explaining. You just keep saying it's not being talked about enough. Are you under the impression that talking about stuff is the engine of history? Like if we talk about it more then Biden will go away and we'll only have 35 year old presidents from now on? It's America. We don't need anymore Presidents. It's a bad form of government regardless of who plays the figurehead.
Because utlimately, you're talking about a symbol of decline, not something that is actually increasing the rate of decline by a significant degree. As PorkrollPosadist said, the presidency has always served the interests of capital. Sometimes actively, sometimes with a president who is senile or simply uninterested im the job.
The blob got used to regarding the office of President as vacant when Trump was in power. Biden is senile? Keep regarding the presidency as vacant. Honestly they prefer it this way now.
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I think as far as people on the left are concerned, it doesn't reveal anything surprising. The President was always a figurehead and Capital was always running the show. Seeing the empire administered by the bureaucracies, lobbies, think tanks, and corporations instead of on the direct orders of some guy in a suit might be shocking to some liberals (and therefor, might have some rhetorical use), but it is about the least shocking thing in the world from our perspective.
As far as the people on the right go, Biden can't be portrayed as the personification of evil if it's clear he doesn't even know what day of the week it is. Every failure of the administration needs to be a deliberate act of malice aimed at god-fearing white conservatives in particular. The "Biden's asleep at the wheel" narrative isn't particularly useful for them because once you remove the "great man" from the picture, all you're left with are the underlying systems to analyze. I'm sure it comes up a lot in memes and stuff, but it isn't a thread that any reactionaries with institutional power are particularly interested in unraveling.
Like, if the man at the top doesn't actually matter, what has changed about the justice department or the armed forces between Trump and Biden's administration? Neither Liberals or Conservatives are interested in opening this can of worms because doing so undermines the perceived power of the elected office, and by extension, the perceived power of the electoral process and the perception that we live in a democracy at all. The President must have agency, because if he doesn't, what the hell are we even voting for?
So from the Liberals, we hear the narrative of a cool and collected Biden staring Putin in the eye and winning in a battle of wits when in actuality the Pentagon and NATO are just acting on their own initiative doing whatever the hell they want, and doing it very sloppily. From the Conservatives, we hear that Biden is an evil Globalist mastermind trying to start World War Three while deliberately tying the hands of any patriots who want to prevent the coming White Genocide / Sharia Law / Stalinist Totalitarianism.
We're just left sitting here like, :yea:
What are you asking for? Do you want us to have a minimum amount of "draw a clock" memes on the site at all times? Do you want us to call a meeting of all leftists and put out some propaganda?
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We've had senile presidents before though. Reagan was gone during his first term. It's been discussed for decades. But certainly there is some state of the site/internet where you feel that the topic of discussion is discussed enough and I'm asking what that looks like. How are you gauging that it's not a continual topic of discussion? You don't see any recent threads about it so that means it's not being thought about?
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I think you're answering your own question. It was everywhere. We got our digs in. We got bored because it wasn't moving the needle and we got some new material. The right definitely does still crack the same joke about him not knowing what day of the week it is. Clock memes have gone the way of gritty memes. We don't have a thread about it everyday for the same reason we don't re-litigate the primaries everyday. The West Wing Thing mentioned it just the other week. It comes up, it's just that we don't have a 100 post discussion about it everyday.
We talk about the Fed and interest rates more because it's currently more relevant given all the inflation stuff. America having a bad president isn't an important historical development. It's always been that way. It's not unexpected.
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I agree. The pushback you are getting in this thread for a perfectly valid question is really weird to me.
It's a person asking us why we don't talk about the thing they want to talk about more. It's not the subject that bothers me it's the implication that because OP isn't seeing constant threads about it then it means nobody cares and is okay with it and we're actually all liberal for not talking about it more.
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In your OP you said leftists no longer mention it. Now you're more specific saying it's about the media. What media? Podcasts? Jacobin? MeansTV? Breadtubers?
Biden is another bad president. If you think he's uniquely evil or the first president with health issues then you're just plain wrong. Trump wasn't uniquely evil either. You are not the first person to experience living under a shit capitalist government.
You didn't outright call anyone a liberal you just implied that not seeing what you see is like being a liberal.
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You feel like you're being gaslighted? I'm agreeing that he's senile. I just don't understand what you're complaining about. You want more discussion about it. Okay, how are you gauging the level of discussion? You don't see enough threads on hexbear.net about it? Are you suggesting we're not talking about it on purpose, just to vex you or that we're too liberal to tell the truth? Are you not seeing enough about it on reddit? Is it the lack of mainstream media coverage you're talking about?
I keep asking you what you want or how you're coming to your conclusions and you aren't explaining. You just keep saying it's not being talked about enough. Are you under the impression that talking about stuff is the engine of history? Like if we talk about it more then Biden will go away and we'll only have 35 year old presidents from now on? It's America. We don't need anymore Presidents. It's a bad form of government regardless of who plays the figurehead.
Because utlimately, you're talking about a symbol of decline, not something that is actually increasing the rate of decline by a significant degree. As PorkrollPosadist said, the presidency has always served the interests of capital. Sometimes actively, sometimes with a president who is senile or simply uninterested im the job.
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The blob got used to regarding the office of President as vacant when Trump was in power. Biden is senile? Keep regarding the presidency as vacant. Honestly they prefer it this way now.
yeah I loved my grandparents and hate seeing people rag on the elderly