that’s hard to pin down. have there been like holocaust level put people on trains to be gassed in camps? no. but, there has been shelling of civilian areas of separatist held Donbas, including using white phosphorus, that can very much be argued to be targetted attacks to kill Russian speaking non combatants just because of their heritage. do some Ukrainians want to genocide those Russians in their east? very likely yes. was the Ukrainian government going to do a full on genocide? probably not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH35raTPVu8&t=1032s (video in Russian but youtube has subtitles) a DNR press conference where they claim white phosphorus was dropped on them, and talk about other attacks. this is not an unbiased or comprehensive source
https://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/138906 cluster bombs (illegal to use) were used against Luhansk
finding stuff from 6 years ago is more and more of a pain as organisations keep removing old things they publish from their websites >.> . though, with all of this said, don't take it as 1 sided that the DNR and LPR are good guys fighting off evil Ukraine, you can find reports of them doing fucked up shit too https://www.gazeta.ru/comments/2014/11/05_e_6289401.shtml as this source in Russian talks about. it's just the Ukrainian state has far more resources and powerful munitions, as well as the backing of the US and NATO at large
the Donbas, in Eastern Ukraine, has always been a very largely Russian area for centuries. post 1991 it ended up in Ukraine, now independent from the Soviet Union. in 2013/14 there was a colour revolution, likely CIA involvement, against a more pro Russian sceptical of working with the EU guy, and a lot of the nationalists in Ukraine who are very anti Russia and pro NATO ended up coming to power. and so in the Donbas, Russian speakers started to organise and fight against this now very anti Russian Ukraine. neo nazi groups, such as Azov battalion, took up arms against these Russians and fought alongside the Ukrainian army in quite a bloody civil war that saw a lot of civilians killed in Ukrainian army attacks. it's very much undoubtable Ukraine is full of nazis that straight up do the Roman salute and use swastikas and all that; though the 2 Donbas republics are not exactly the most left wing guys of all time either themselves to say the least
they are pretty prevalent in Ukrainian politics, especially after 2014. even the centrist party in power openly have wanted to push 'Ukranianisation'. Azov Battalion, open neo nazis, straight up have their own wing of the Ukrainian military and openly push their views . it's like a lot of post Soviet countries, after the collapse of the Soviet Union nationalism massively surged in most of these places, because of the extremely poor economic conditions of people, similar things can be seen in East Germany, Russia, Poland, the Baltics, ect
John Mearsheimer's given talks on the subject from a realist perspective (he's not even our type of lib). Important to note is the post-coup parliament immediately began passing laws to restrict minority language rights (= Russophones in the east), which is what spurred organization in the Donbas.
In 2014 there was a mass movement in Ukraine against the Pro-Russian leader. It was a warranted backlash against the status quo and their articulated alternative to it was a pivot to the EU, which represented an escape from the Post-Soviet condition. Three factors led to the uprising's rightward and violent turn
The government response was incredibly violent. As history shows this only works to make people more angry and radical.
The Ukrainian Communist Party lost credibility with the Ukrainians by siding with the state. They eventually split into pro and anti Maidan factions but it was too late.
The most organized, well funded, mobilized force in Ukrainian politics was the far right. When it saw anti-Russian sentiment flare up it quickly took advantage.
So as the state cracks down the opposition grows in intensity, and an organized Nationalist far-right is quick to channel it. Now during all this Western money and NGOs are pouring into Ukraine in support of the protests, and the most rabidly Anti-Russian elements, the far right, benefit the most.
The eastern part of the country is more Pro-Russian than the West. There the protests were more Street-Brawls between pro and anti Russians.
In response to the regime change and western involvement in it, Russia moves in and takes Crimea and sends weapons to the Eastern Pro-Russian factions as the unrest in the east devolves into a civil war. The Civil War is fought between pro-Russian militias supported by the Russian state and the Ukrainian state supported by Nationalist Anti-Russian militias (in turn supported by Western states like the US and Israel), the most famous one being the Neo-Nazi group Azov.
Most Ukrainians are worn out from politics, whatever they do things never seem to change. I think 80% don't identify with any political party. The Far-Right, very well funded and organized has been succesful in channeling growing anti-Russian sentiment, but their influence in politics doesn't come from votes although they go above and beyond to infiltrate Ukrainian social society. It comes from their presence in the military and their paramilitary groups. There is the looming shadow of a fascist military coup, with no guarantee the Americans wouldn't support it, if deescalation is pursued by Ukrainian politicans. The growing nationalism fueled by anti-russian sentiments and the far rights mobilization and presence in society means there might be a sufficient minority to keep it in power.
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that’s hard to pin down. have there been like holocaust level put people on trains to be gassed in camps? no. but, there has been shelling of civilian areas of separatist held Donbas, including using white phosphorus, that can very much be argued to be targetted attacks to kill Russian speaking non combatants just because of their heritage. do some Ukrainians want to genocide those Russians in their east? very likely yes. was the Ukrainian government going to do a full on genocide? probably not
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https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-unspun-luhansk-blast/25410384.html Ukrainian airforce bombing civilians
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians Ukrainian rockets hitting civilians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH35raTPVu8&t=1032s (video in Russian but youtube has subtitles) a DNR press conference where they claim white phosphorus was dropped on them, and talk about other attacks. this is not an unbiased or comprehensive source
https://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/138906 cluster bombs (illegal to use) were used against Luhansk
finding stuff from 6 years ago is more and more of a pain as organisations keep removing old things they publish from their websites >.> . though, with all of this said, don't take it as 1 sided that the DNR and LPR are good guys fighting off evil Ukraine, you can find reports of them doing fucked up shit too https://www.gazeta.ru/comments/2014/11/05_e_6289401.shtml as this source in Russian talks about. it's just the Ukrainian state has far more resources and powerful munitions, as well as the backing of the US and NATO at large
is there a ballpark casualties figure for those attacks? plz
Here's one: https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1496876089838342156
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the Donbas, in Eastern Ukraine, has always been a very largely Russian area for centuries. post 1991 it ended up in Ukraine, now independent from the Soviet Union. in 2013/14 there was a colour revolution, likely CIA involvement, against a more pro Russian sceptical of working with the EU guy, and a lot of the nationalists in Ukraine who are very anti Russia and pro NATO ended up coming to power. and so in the Donbas, Russian speakers started to organise and fight against this now very anti Russian Ukraine. neo nazi groups, such as Azov battalion, took up arms against these Russians and fought alongside the Ukrainian army in quite a bloody civil war that saw a lot of civilians killed in Ukrainian army attacks. it's very much undoubtable Ukraine is full of nazis that straight up do the Roman salute and use swastikas and all that; though the 2 Donbas republics are not exactly the most left wing guys of all time either themselves to say the least
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they are pretty prevalent in Ukrainian politics, especially after 2014. even the centrist party in power openly have wanted to push 'Ukranianisation'. Azov Battalion, open neo nazis, straight up have their own wing of the Ukrainian military and openly push their views . it's like a lot of post Soviet countries, after the collapse of the Soviet Union nationalism massively surged in most of these places, because of the extremely poor economic conditions of people, similar things can be seen in East Germany, Russia, Poland, the Baltics, ect
John Mearsheimer's given talks on the subject from a realist perspective (he's not even our type of lib). Important to note is the post-coup parliament immediately began passing laws to restrict minority language rights (= Russophones in the east), which is what spurred organization in the Donbas.
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In 2014 there was a mass movement in Ukraine against the Pro-Russian leader. It was a warranted backlash against the status quo and their articulated alternative to it was a pivot to the EU, which represented an escape from the Post-Soviet condition. Three factors led to the uprising's rightward and violent turn
So as the state cracks down the opposition grows in intensity, and an organized Nationalist far-right is quick to channel it. Now during all this Western money and NGOs are pouring into Ukraine in support of the protests, and the most rabidly Anti-Russian elements, the far right, benefit the most.
The eastern part of the country is more Pro-Russian than the West. There the protests were more Street-Brawls between pro and anti Russians.
In response to the regime change and western involvement in it, Russia moves in and takes Crimea and sends weapons to the Eastern Pro-Russian factions as the unrest in the east devolves into a civil war. The Civil War is fought between pro-Russian militias supported by the Russian state and the Ukrainian state supported by Nationalist Anti-Russian militias (in turn supported by Western states like the US and Israel), the most famous one being the Neo-Nazi group Azov.
Most Ukrainians are worn out from politics, whatever they do things never seem to change. I think 80% don't identify with any political party. The Far-Right, very well funded and organized has been succesful in channeling growing anti-Russian sentiment, but their influence in politics doesn't come from votes although they go above and beyond to infiltrate Ukrainian social society. It comes from their presence in the military and their paramilitary groups. There is the looming shadow of a fascist military coup, with no guarantee the Americans wouldn't support it, if deescalation is pursued by Ukrainian politicans. The growing nationalism fueled by anti-russian sentiments and the far rights mobilization and presence in society means there might be a sufficient minority to keep it in power.
That's Ukraines' Nazi problem from what i can see