some pretty choice quotes in here
“The U.S. is in no position to tell China off,” she said. Then she mentioned the three journalists who were killed in NATO’s bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999, a tragic incident that prompted widespread anti-U.S. protests in China.
“NATO still owes the Chinese people a debt of blood,” she said. You sent
"Recent speeches by some of China’s most influential advisers to the government on international relations suggest that the miscalculation may have been based on deep distrust of the United States. They saw it as a declining power that wanted to push for war with false intelligence because it would benefit the United States, financially and strategically."
also mentions 'little pinks' which I guess is the Chinese equivalent to 'tankies' more or less?
Just want to point out that unfair, selective, and out-of-context characterizations of Chinese sentiments are already making lives extra hard for Chinese people trapped in Ukraine. I’ve seen from more than a couple of young Chinese uni students on social media saying they are too scared to go to the bomb shelters because of anti-Chinese propaganda.
Chinese authorities may not have gauged the level of racism in Ukraine accurately, hence the re-calibration mentioned here.
Nationalistic emotions on social media were also sparked by the Chinese Embassy in Ukraine. Unlike most embassies in Kyiv, it didn’t urge its citizens to evacuate. Hours into the war, it advised Chinese people to post the country’s red flag conspicuously on their vehicles when traveling, indicating that it would provide protection.
The state-owned People’s Daily, CCTV and many top government agencies posted about that on Weibo. Many people used the hashtag #theChineseredwillprotectyou, referring to the flag.
The idea echoed a movie, the 2017 Chinese blockbuster “Wolf Warrior 2,” which ends with the hero taking fellow passengers safely through a war zone in Africa as he holds a Chinese flag high. “It’s Chinese,” an armed fighter says. “Hold your fire.”
Two days later, the embassy reversed course, urging Chinese citizens not to display anything that would disclose their identity. Chinese people living in Ukraine advised fellow citizens not to make comments on social media that could jeopardize their security.
I think this timing might line up with the reports coming from Ukraine of non-whites being blocked at the border or unable to find space on trains, etc.
overall chinese people are prety naieve about anti-asian racism in foreign lands because the state controlled media tries to keep a lid on nationalism and really avoids fanning the flames of hatred.
i know a lot of chinese that went to america and were totally shocked by the level of racism that poc encounter on a day to day basis simply because it isn't a thing highlighted outside of the "little pinks" that people scoff at for exaggerated antiwest sentiment
thanks for the input comrade :heart-sickle:
since I literally just learned about 'little pinks' from NYT and that wiki page, it's good to have some more perspective
it advised Chinese people to post the country’s red flag conspicuously on their vehicles when traveling
Holy shit, this is a plot point from the second Wolf Warrior movie. I wonder who came up with it first.
Or is the NYTimes just trying to paint the chinese as some form of enemy?
:this:
Mostly young, nationalistic online users like these, known as “little pinks” in China
I don't know why I love this so much
The term Little Pink originated on the website Jinjiang Literature City [zh] (晋江文学城), when a group of users kept strongly criticizing people who published posts containing negative news about China. Within Jinjiang Literature City, this group became known as the "Jinjiang Girl Group Concerned for the Country", or the Little Pink, which is the main color of the website's front page.
In terms of demographics, according to Zhuang Pinghui of South China Morning Post, 83% of the Little Pink are female, with most of them between 18 and 24 years old. More than half of the Little Pink are from third- and fourth-tier cities in China.
They are primarily active on social media sites banned in China such as Twitter and Instagram. Many of the Little Pink are Chinese students studying abroad in countries which do not block access to those sites. They have been compared to the Red Guards of the cultural revolution.
The Chinese Communist Party's official newspaper People's Daily and its daily tabloid Global Times have both lavished praise on the Little Pink as has the Communist Youth League of China.
In October 2021, the Little Pink were the subject of criticism by the satirical song "Fragile" by Malaysian singer Namewee and Australian singer Kimberley Chen. A commentary in the South China Morning Post opined that the song should have prompted, instead of the actual angry response by the Little Pink, a self-reflection on the dangers of their fervent nationalism. The commentary compared their path and its dangers to the one taken by Trump supporters in the 2021 United States Capitol attack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Pink
83% of the Little Pink are female, with most of them between 18 and 24 years old. More than half of the Little Pink are from third- and fourth-tier cities in China
omg my future wife is a veteran of the posting wars :CommiePOGGERS:
My Chinese friend is actually part of that demographic. Even though we're complete strangers, we've already started using 同志 to address each other.
83% of the Little Pink are female, with most of them between 18 and 24 years old. More than half of the Little Pink are from third- and fourth-tier cities in China
the third and 4th tier checks out. most 1st tier city chinese are insanely liberal and benefitted the most from market reforms.
three journalists who were killed in NATO’s bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999, a tragic incident that prompted widespread anti-U.S. protests in China.
Not only China, but also Taiwan, and you wonder why
Some NATO countries as of late are also pushing on PRC's red lines, sending battleships into SCS, spreading atrocity propaganda, joining in with sanctions.
They could do what ever they want, as long as the ruling party don't do anything crazy, the it's fine. But if America do what Russia did and recognize Taiwan to be independent country, and Taiwan it self declare independent, then the army will immediately coup the current govt, since many general in the Taiwan army are sympathize to KMT and consider themselves Chinese.
America do what Russia did and recognize Taiwan to be independent country
Russia recognized Taiwan as an independent country?
He's bringing up a hypothetical that mirrors what russia did and declare the DPR and LPR, I think
i saw other users here say that a ton of the discussion in japanese social media is closer to this sites takes than cheering china. Of course you would have much more russia stanning than in western social media but of course that would also be what rags like NYT would focus on.
Also, like, if NYT was to cover this sites "opinions" they would cover them exactly like this . Every non nato supporting position would be covered as cheering for Russia's invasion
Also, like, in NYT was to cover this sites “opinions” they would cover them exactly like this .
This. A lot of the takes I've seen aren't even focused on the conflict itself, but on NATO and pointing out media hypocrisy.
since it seems that many of the commenters here might be newer to hexbear, let me add some context
see we often post western liberal :brainworms: OpEds to highlight the constant media onslaught of consent manufacturing that occurs in the anglosphere
are 'little pinks' problematic socialists? maybe
are they much better informed about material conditions than most anglosphere normies? quite likely
is the wiki page comparing them to Jan 6th chuds probably a reach? no idea, but seems likely
did not expect this to be such a struggle session or wrecker-bait thread
I really hate this new journalism that just cite reddit comments. There's really no difference between social media and new media, it's better to just outsource your work anyway.
A lot of people hate NATO. I do remember people saying the Chinese Internet also didn't support the invasion so who knows.
A Chinese friend of mine told me this: 同情乌克兰，理解俄罗斯，反对北约
Translates to: Sympathize with Ukraine, understand Russia, oppose NATO.
A good view actually. I definitely sympathize with Ukrainians who are terrified as war is hell and I definitely understand if they want to move away from Russia now. Even if I think it is a stupid self defeating movie they did to address it, I understand why Russia has security concerns. I oppose NATO because it is an awful cold war relic that terrorized Yugoslavia and Libya that has been egging this on and won't make it better
little pinks are nationalists, not tankies
in terms of demographics probably closest to being a lib/chud equivalent
the pinks honestly have more palatable and realistic takes on anti imperialism and the western world order than a lot of chinese leftists; the leftists tend to have to struggle more with brainworms inflicted by the western stranglehold on propaganda through mass media and academia, while the pinks tend to be poorer and less educated, which ironically insulates them from the brainworms
edit, re the leftist brainworms: my personal gripe is with what effectively are cults of personality surrounding the bodies of work of dead French pedophiles who developed their ideas in a completely different social context and yet these works are somehow venerated as gospel despite essentially only having been translated and not actually interpreted; it all reeks of platonism and i don’t like it
interesting, curious to see more examples of the divergence of the pinks compared to the more mainstream leftists in China
seems like you're saying the internationalism of the standard leftists makes them more susceptible to western propaganda compared to the more 'provincial' pinks
just find it difficult to conceptualize these political dynamics as it seems so different from the inch-deep discourse in mainstream US politics of red v blue
Immediately believing whatever garbage the NYT says and uncritically accepting their framing.
:why-post-this: Why do this?
Oh no, you're right, it's all over. Time to support the collapse and balkanization of China and also add a PRC-cool emoji because of some internet users. It's the only leftist position now.
:so-true: NYT is posting this article with no malicious intent and nothing but the truth
"I am deeply enamored with my mental image of a country I've never been to and people I have never met" "No I am not a communism weeb"
other half are rural, dumb and will fall for any yahoo nationalist bullshit. They’re just Trumpers born under a different political alignment.
Classism in my leftist website? more likely than you think
i speak chinese and know many mainlanders
whats your qualification?
you've been on weibo?
ukraine has hardcore fighters like azov, c14, right sector
taiwan has 70% understrength brigades and the military leadership itself is mainland nostalgic. it would be like if the ukrainian general staff were all russophiles secretly pining for the USSR again
