Some shit ukrainians keep saying over the last while. I think it has to do with some idea about Russians representing "Asiatic hordes" "attacking europe" (as some see it).
Somewhat ironic given that if you line up a Ukrainian and a Russian you can't tell the difference by their appearance. But some Ukrainians do have crack-pot theories about Ukrainian racial purity or some bullshit. Like literally the most insane theories that seem like a post-post ironic parody or something.
I find it instructive to remember that in WWI The Germans were described in propaganda as being "Asiatic" and "Huns", despite how absolutely ludicrous on it's face that is. Race is a social and political construction, always.
But some Ukrainians do have crack-pot theories about Ukrainian racial purity or some bullshit. Like literally the most insane theories that seem like a post-post ironic parody or something.
Depending on whether or not you believe RT, the Ukrainian government had published statements to this effect.
It's a reference to Lord of the Rings. Ukrainian Fascists; Read another book.
And in Tolkien's defense the best map for Orcs isn't any particular race, or even race relations. Sauron and his Orcs stand in for urbanization, industrialization, and mechanization of the world that Tolkien apparently believed was overwhelming an idyllic British countryside of small stead independent farmers and shit. So reactionary, but not explicitly racist or even particularly classist. Like Tolkien wasn't woke or some great social commentator, but he does avoid a lot of the worst trends in fantasy fiction from throughout the 20th century. You can actually read LotR without having to make too many apologies, and some of those are "Women have undeveloped characters and little agency". Which sucks, but like, compared to Lovecraft? I'll take it.
Honestly someone should to a woke re-write of Tolkien. Dude was on the record somewhere that he wanted people to add to his legendarium, not leave it some static, fixed thing.
Russian ukrainian shenanigans, I wouldn’t treat it too seriously, russia mordor has been liberal thingy for a while, orcs is flowing from there, not like racial origins (although it’s getting worse)
Tolkien is really, really popular in Europe and Eastern Europe. People love it. And there are some fash strains that like Tolkien because of the monarchism and heroic sacrifice and the race shit they read in to it. I mean, it's not that hard to read race shit in to it if you want to, but it's also really easy to just let Orcs be Orcs and appreciate that the story is about diverse peoples coming together to overcome an evil expansionist empire.
it’s not that hard to read race shit in to it if you want to
tolkein himself did unfortunately:
In a private letter, Tolkien describes orcs as:
squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types."
Is orcs a slavic slur or is it just fascist nerd shit?
Some shit ukrainians keep saying over the last while. I think it has to do with some idea about Russians representing "Asiatic hordes" "attacking europe" (as some see it).
Somewhat ironic given that if you line up a Ukrainian and a Russian you can't tell the difference by their appearance. But some Ukrainians do have crack-pot theories about Ukrainian racial purity or some bullshit. Like literally the most insane theories that seem like a post-post ironic parody or something.
I find it instructive to remember that in WWI The Germans were described in propaganda as being "Asiatic" and "Huns", despite how absolutely ludicrous on it's face that is. Race is a social and political construction, always.
Depending on whether or not you believe RT, the Ukrainian government had published statements to this effect.
https://www.rt.com/russia/552060-ukrainian-pure-blood-museum/
I believe it. They legitimately do believe and say this kind of thing if you've interacted with enough Ukrainians.
Its a racial slur with plausible deniability, you have the fucking minister of defense going around saying "These are not slavs, these are orcs".
Don't think there's any historic/cultural behind it but it means sub human so yeah
It's a reference to Lord of the Rings. Ukrainian Fascists; Read another book.
And in Tolkien's defense the best map for Orcs isn't any particular race, or even race relations. Sauron and his Orcs stand in for urbanization, industrialization, and mechanization of the world that Tolkien apparently believed was overwhelming an idyllic British countryside of small stead independent farmers and shit. So reactionary, but not explicitly racist or even particularly classist. Like Tolkien wasn't woke or some great social commentator, but he does avoid a lot of the worst trends in fantasy fiction from throughout the 20th century. You can actually read LotR without having to make too many apologies, and some of those are "Women have undeveloped characters and little agency". Which sucks, but like, compared to Lovecraft? I'll take it.
Honestly someone should to a woke re-write of Tolkien. Dude was on the record somewhere that he wanted people to add to his legendarium, not leave it some static, fixed thing.
Last I saw they were insisting that Russians aren't real slavs because of too much mixing or something like that.
Russian ukrainian shenanigans, I wouldn’t treat it too seriously, russia mordor has been liberal thingy for a while, orcs is flowing from there, not like racial origins (although it’s getting worse)
Tolkien is really, really popular in Europe and Eastern Europe. People love it. And there are some fash strains that like Tolkien because of the monarchism and heroic sacrifice and the race shit they read in to it. I mean, it's not that hard to read race shit in to it if you want to, but it's also really easy to just let Orcs be Orcs and appreciate that the story is about diverse peoples coming together to overcome an evil expansionist empire.
tolkein himself did unfortunately: