The good news is that all these fash will be easier to identify if they keep posting. Long live the posters amirite?
That's fuckin grim man, very cool website
I don't understand how r/cth is banned for inciting violence but you can literally organize international fascist brigades so cool
"In light of recent events we have decided that fascism, ethnic discrimination and killing is acceptable and now allowed"
you can organize military supplies transactions to support reddit mercenaries, but you cant say the nazis and slaveowners deserved to be shot where they stand :so-true:
Calling it Stormfront is one of those jokes that's only kind of a joke. Liberalism is just fascism with a polite façade.
Swastika tattoos definitely don't glorify any totalitarians though!
This post will remain up as it remains a relevant call for assistance. The comments, filled with people concern trolling on the basis of pro-Russian talking points and propaganda, and others who are breaking our totalitarian glorification policy, have been locked.
lol
Canadian flag
Why do we have so many of those here? We literally have a statue for Stepan Bandera in one of our provinces, and a few hours from me there's a cemetery with tombstones memorializing for Ukrainian Nazis.
A couple times someone vandalized a tombstone
Police investigated it as a hatecrime against nazis
:jokerfied:
Lots of Ukronazis fled to Canada after WW2 and Soviet victory. There was already an existing Ukrainian diaspora there
Let me consult my book…
Yes this is correct. Hitler and Stalin only pretended to be at war so they could kill everyone between them. Then Stalin dressed up all the bodies as Russians.
Fun game to play: When people yell at you that the Soviets worked with the Nazis to invade Poland ask them if they'd have preferred the Nazis capture all of Poland instead of just half of it.
Unironically probably a descendent of a Ukrainian nazi collaborator that fled to Canada
Extremely funny one of the higher comments is like "👉👈 uhhh so reddit what is your take on these Azov guys they're erhmm-- they're doing sieg heils and have nazi symbolism" lmfaoo like you really need reddit to fucking tell you what to think? This is why that hivemind shit is so goddamn bad, these people recognize these aren't good people but are looking for reasons to support them. It's not hard to condem nazis without asking fuckin reddit what to think jfc
What gets me is that all the libs are breaking themselves in half trying to say that the Nazis aren't a big problem and don't reflect on the government and military of Ukraine and it's like okay, fine, there's only 2500 Azov guys. Line them up and shoot them, Ukraine. It's only 2500 guys. 2500 rounds costs like 500 dollars. Easy solution. Now you have my total, uncritical, unreserved support in your efforts to stop Russian imperialist aggression. (I mean not really because NATO but still their case would be a lot stronger if they didn't have actual fucking Nazis directly incorporated into their military, openly, in an official capacity. )
Lol I feel you. The thing is too, even assuming as a hypothetical Ukraine was just soooo desperate for able bodied soliders they decided to work with Azov and "look the other way" as a means to end with Russia... but when exactly were they planning on putting the kibosh on actively arming, training and giving nazis positions of power? From everything I can tell, there is no plans to address it. if anything Ukraine prefers the zealtory nazism can bring it seems cause they promote Azov quite a bit.
I'd really like liberals to just be honest about being okay with arming nazis. No other whataboutism or anything, doesn't matter how much they personally hate Russia or whatever. Just accept they're quite okay actually with supporting nazis. It's like pulling teeth even getting many to acknowledge their existence. Pretty big tell to me
It'd be interesting to see the timeline where Ukraine did actually win the war against Russia, but now they got a bunch of armed to the teeth neonazis who decide to overthrow the government.
Would the Liberals just straight up deny it or what would even happen?
Would the Liberals just straight up deny it
absolutely. the same way they deny obama admin's deportations, drone strikes, and destruction of libya and yemen
i've run into motherfuckers who will tell me photos of azov from 2014 are "russian propaganda"
What's going to happen is that whoever "wins" Eastern Europe is going to be flooded with unregistered guns, high explosives, anti-tank missile launchers, man portable anti-air systems. Right wing terrorism is going to be a boom industry.
https://practicalpie.com/asch-line-study/
It is psychologically painful to be the only person in the room that sees reality a certain way. Don't underestimate this effect.
This is why I just lie to myself and say that everyone actually agrees with me and continue to discuss things as if my position is the same one that they hold until they fall prey to this psychology too.
It's how the right recruits alienated people, it's also a good tactic for breaking programming because once you can get them vulnerable, you're able to actually get them to start seeing things more clearly.
Nah I understand it. They're admitting ignorance so as to not come off as instigating but they don't want to ignore the fashposting so they're looking for a recap of that discourse
I follow you, you're a bit more generous than I am about this. I suppose if they really are an ignorant redditor asking what the hell is going on that fair
I mean for us Fascists vs. Socialists is the driving dynamic behind the entirety of human history from 1917 to the present. For Libs their experience Nazis comes from 3 hours of instruction in 8th grade and maybe they saw that old Tarantino movie from over a decade ago. They saw some people calling Trump a Nazi but they don't really know what it means, it doesn't have any visceral weight to it. They've never seen a Sonnenrad, they have no idea what a Wolfsangel is, They think runic tattoos look cool because there are a bunch of TV shows about Vikings. They know the SS runes are bad but they mostly think it's tacky racism, not a direct death threat. They have no fucking idea that Nazism and Fascism survived the war and has been a powerful ideological force throughout the entire Cold War and post-Cold War period
Some shit ukrainians keep saying over the last while. I think it has to do with some idea about Russians representing "Asiatic hordes" "attacking europe" (as some see it).
Somewhat ironic given that if you line up a Ukrainian and a Russian you can't tell the difference by their appearance. But some Ukrainians do have crack-pot theories about Ukrainian racial purity or some bullshit. Like literally the most insane theories that seem like a post-post ironic parody or something.
I find it instructive to remember that in WWI The Germans were described in propaganda as being "Asiatic" and "Huns", despite how absolutely ludicrous on it's face that is. Race is a social and political construction, always.
But some Ukrainians do have crack-pot theories about Ukrainian racial purity or some bullshit. Like literally the most insane theories that seem like a post-post ironic parody or something.
Depending on whether or not you believe RT, the Ukrainian government had published statements to this effect.
https://www.rt.com/russia/552060-ukrainian-pure-blood-museum/
I believe it. They legitimately do believe and say this kind of thing if you've interacted with enough Ukrainians.
Its a racial slur with plausible deniability, you have the fucking minister of defense going around saying "These are not slavs, these are orcs".
Don't think there's any historic/cultural behind it but it means sub human so yeah
It's a reference to Lord of the Rings. Ukrainian Fascists; Read another book.
And in Tolkien's defense the best map for Orcs isn't any particular race, or even race relations. Sauron and his Orcs stand in for urbanization, industrialization, and mechanization of the world that Tolkien apparently believed was overwhelming an idyllic British countryside of small stead independent farmers and shit. So reactionary, but not explicitly racist or even particularly classist. Like Tolkien wasn't woke or some great social commentator, but he does avoid a lot of the worst trends in fantasy fiction from throughout the 20th century. You can actually read LotR without having to make too many apologies, and some of those are "Women have undeveloped characters and little agency". Which sucks, but like, compared to Lovecraft? I'll take it.
Honestly someone should to a woke re-write of Tolkien. Dude was on the record somewhere that he wanted people to add to his legendarium, not leave it some static, fixed thing.
Last I saw they were insisting that Russians aren't real slavs because of too much mixing or something like that.
Russian ukrainian shenanigans, I wouldn’t treat it too seriously, russia mordor has been liberal thingy for a while, orcs is flowing from there, not like racial origins (although it’s getting worse)
Tolkien is really, really popular in Europe and Eastern Europe. People love it. And there are some fash strains that like Tolkien because of the monarchism and heroic sacrifice and the race shit they read in to it. I mean, it's not that hard to read race shit in to it if you want to, but it's also really easy to just let Orcs be Orcs and appreciate that the story is about diverse peoples coming together to overcome an evil expansionist empire.
it’s not that hard to read race shit in to it if you want to
tolkein himself did unfortunately:
In a private letter, Tolkien describes orcs as:
squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types."
you would not want to be taken alive by Russian orcs as a part of AZOV Regiment
Critical support for Russia
I'm not feeling very crab rave about this. It sounds like Mariupol is getting hammered and trading Nazis for civilians is a bad trade. Nazis aren't worth anyone's life. Situation just sucks all the way around.
Nazis aren’t worth anyone’s life.
I agree with this in principle, but unfortunately Nazis intentionally obscure the line between civilian and Nazi to make civilian deaths inevitable.
Everyone agrees that killing kids in war is bad until they're being charged by a Hitler Youth fanatic holding a grenade.
The only way to prevent this was for the Ukrainian government to clamp down on Nazis instead of get in bed with them, and that ship sailed long ago.
Don't get me wrong. This war was made inevitable a long time ago. And war is hell. But it's still important to remember that innocent people are dying for no more reason than that Nazis emplaced an AT missile crew near their apartment.
Well even if we aren't all crab about it, at least we can all agree that the end of Azov means the prevention of many more needless deaths.
"SS men never surrender!"
"That's because nobody needs you alive."
https://dsss.be/hitler-vs-stalin/index.php?img=20
That ancient slavic symbol invented to decorate the real-life Castle Wolfenstein
I fucking love that one. I spent months screaming at some LARPers who tried to "reclaim" the "ancient" sonnenrad. Eventually I left the organization due to other, unrelated Nazi shit (fuck my life) but god damn those kids were fucking dense as bricks.
the unit has been incorporated into the Ukraine army
They really think that makes it better instead of worse, huh?
They think of Nazis as the handsome, well dressed bad guys from Hollywood movies. I'd bet you cash money that the vast majority of liberals have never sat down and really, really looked at the pictures of the Holocaust.
Eh they only get NATO weapons and training as a result, what's the big deal
soooo many Adjective-Verb-Four Digit Number accounts claiming they "purged all the nazis" lolololol holllly shit
Wtf does purging it even mean lol, they removed their leaders and core founding ideas and started a diversity initiative in their HR?
That's about as lazy as an excuse as the interviews with Azov where they ask members if they're nazis and they go "Uh no I'd say i'm not really political" then the interviewer asks what their Swastika and Reichsadler tattoo mean, or they ask why they joined and they say something like "It's a great group with good ideas", when asked to elaborate on said ideas it gets a little quiet though.
"purging" means all those veteren azov fascists got promotions and were scattered into higher positions across the ukranian military to help train their military into a proper fighting force.
Means Avakov (minister of the interior) promoted them to governors, mayors, police chiefs and generals
I made a mistake.
I read the comments and my brain is hurting so much
There are some really great Ukrainian alternative-history rabbitholes you can go down if you'd like to hurt yourself some more.
No, Ignorance is bliss, and that I willingly choose to remain in ignorance on this subject so as to protect by braincells
Suit yourself, my guilty pleasure is reading idiotic bs for hours at a time.
I admire your ability to slog through the slop to look for diamonds
Proud of you. Nothing in there needs to be seen, it's just the same shit we've seen for over a century.
Yeah there are some wacky ones. If you saw my other comment a Ukrainian-Canadian newspaper unironically claimed that Russians were mostly on the side of the Nazis in WW2.
I like the theories with how Ukrainians are true slavs and aryans, whereas Russians are not. It takes a high IQ to truly understand.
Racism is fucking wild. How you can even be a Slavic Nazi in the first place requires some breathtaking mental gymnastics. I'll keep saying it; The end goal of Lebensraum and the invasion of the Soviet Union was to enslave and then exterminate all Slavic people. The brutality of the Nazi advance in to Russia wasn't just for funsies, the goal was extermination, sooner or later.
How you can even be a Slavic Nazi in the first place requires some breathtaking mental gymnastics.
They use little bits and pieces of truth to make up their ideas. Like they'll bring up the fact that not all high-ranking nazis were on board with the idea of lebensraum and exterminating slavs. Or that some of the high-ranking Nazis had partial or mostly slavic ancestry. Or they dig up like almost a thousand-year old history and go ACKSHULLY in the 11th century we were blah blah and on and on.
Really you can justify pretty much anything to yourself, history is so vast you can only choose the parts you like and interpret them in a way you like.
ACKSHULLY in the 11th century
It was a trash century anyway. They invented the British in the 11th century.
Oh and another part of the reasoning is often bringing up how slavs have lots of athletic and scientific accomplishments, therefore they're pretty much aryans and not like those that belong to "those bad races who never do anything productive".
I think those are the usual talking points.
So when the Nazi came into Ukraine during WW2, Western Ukrainian used that opportunity to get back at the Communists
It's especially funny, when you remember that Western Ukraine was part of Poland in 1921-1939.
i imagine the redditors don't actually know the stronghold of nazis is in west ukraine. I've literally run into libs who think East Germany is where all the nazis were.
They're not wrong. There were 8 million Nazi party members in Germany at the end of the war, so East Germany likely had 2-4 million Nazis.
lol the comments are too fucking much. yeah maybe these guys want to do the holocaust again but putin big mean man
They were ramping up for a genocide. 15,000 dead Russian-speaking minorities, Russian language banned and preparing a full scale invasion of Donbas.
america has been assisting in a saudi genocide in yemen and an israeli genocide in palestine for years. Also ICE/CBP/DHS. What's one more little genocide? if anyone points them out the libs can just pivot to Xinjiang.
Yup 100 % agree with you. Even in the US a certain percentage of the US military will identify as extreme conservative, neo-Nazi, and fascist. Not unusual and not something to make a big deal of.
I swear, I'm going absolutely crazy seeing people claiming that those identifying as Neo-Nazis in the US military are on the same level as an explicit Neo-Nazi unit, imbued with state power, and fully endorsed by the state. This is just absolutely asinine.
liberals break fash even when they aren't even being directly threatened? Who would've thought? :joker-troll:
Scratch a liberal on the other side of the planet and a fascist next to you bleeds
"some of them are white supremacists but many are not and the unit has been incorporated into the Ukraine army. And who cares right now? [...] You know in the west, at least in America, we believe in free speech. Even if we have Neo-Nazis, I would support their right to go fuck up some Russian invaders."
:jokerfied:
:fedposting:
why does this site post relentlessly about azov? like congrats you all have the "correct leftist take" (tm) of both sides being varying degrees of awful but you seem to hyper-fixate on Ukraine and downplay or dismiss any anti-russian news.
obvi you aren’t a "russian bot" but it’s just genuinely interesting, albeit quite disorienting, to see here lol. Like it’s not as fucking weird as the pro russian twitter "leftists" but it strikes a weird chord idk it just shouldnt matter where ukraine is getting money and weapons from ok?
azov only have like 40 people in them and that's probably the only nazis. NATO is actually peacekeeping to scare russia so thats why they didnt do this sooner. why do people keep talking about yemen? not impressed with the whataboutism going on when people are hurting in ukraine. a no fly zone doesnt have to involve shooting down planes they can just ask and russias bombs are probably rusted up and bust anyway.
azov only have like 40 people in them
40, more than 2500... whatever
I keep seeing that when polled about 30% of Ukrainians think positively of Bandera.
Nah, it's just those 40 guys from the video.
Has anyone asked Putin nicely not to bomb? Maybe a "pretty please"?
The funny thing is that Putin and his predecessors have been asking NATO to cut the shit since Yeltsin coup'd the Russian government back in 93.
sorted by controversial and found OP in there asking if nationalism is bad :yea:
Wretched of the Earth by Fanon is a rather enlightening read on that where Nationalism helps the Colonized free themselves from the Colonizers, but also acknowledges the need to eventually move past it.
Holy fuck the comments are terrifying, the dehumanization of Russians is so perfectly normalized and they're calling the Azov nazis heroes
Jesus fucking christ
