It's kind of weird seeing so many ppl on this site say things like "if it was my partner I would beat the shit out of someone" and similar stuff (see this thread: https://hexbear.net/post/183672). Not gonna lie it's kinda weird hearing that from nominal leftists. It sounds no different than some machismo person trying to start a fight cuz his honor was disrespected or something. This is what I said in that thread:

I mean I get the sentiment, but it also kinda feels like some kind of toxic machismo holdover. Kind of like “how dare you make fun of MY wife, if you insult her you basically insult ME!” I dunno it sounds kinda possessive, as if someone damaged your property, therefore damaged your pride.

So how do ppl justify this? I'm genuinely curious.

One thing I've seen some people say is that "he was standing up for someone." But that still sounds like some "you've disrespected m'lady sir, shall we duel?" shit. Like I see this stuff all the time from dads who get mad at their daughter's dates ("don't you dare lay a hand on her or I'll kill you") or brothers that are very possessive of girl family members ("if you mistreat my sister I'll kill you!") or even chuds getting triggered about the flag ("if you disrespect the flag I'll kill you!").

I dunno sounds very honor culture-y. Also sounds like retributive justice, which is fine I guess if you believe in that but we've seen the horrors that has wreaked on minority communities in places like the US. I dunno lemme know what you all think.

  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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    3 years ago

    I would not support Will Smith shooting Chris Rock for insulting his wife, no. But slapping? Chris Rock was literally playing it off as funny moments after, like, "Will Smith just slapped the shit out of me 🤣." Idk I guess I feel similar to like, when Richard Spencer got punched or Andy Ngo got milkshaked. I mean, obviously they deserved it way more, but I just mean in terms of, they can walk away from it and be perfectly fine so who tf cares.

    One thing I’ve seen some people say is that “he was standing up for someone.” But that still sounds like some “you’ve disrespected m’lady sir, shall we duel?” shit. Like I see this stuff all the time from dads who get mad at their daughter’s dates (“don’t you dare lay a hand on her or I’ll kill you”) or brothers that are very possessive of girl family members (“if you mistreat my sister I’ll kill you!”) or even chuds getting triggered about the flag (“if you disrespect the flag I’ll kill you!”).

    Duel. Kill. Kill. Kill. Every comparison you made involved murder, but we're just talking about someone getting slapped. Don't you think that's a bit of a false equivalence?

    • queenjamie [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Duel. Kill. Kill. Kill. Every comparison you made involved murder, but we’re just talking about someone getting slapped. Don’t you think that’s a bit of a false equivalence?

      There's no doubt in my mind that if Will Smith punched Chris Rock really hard ppl here would also support it. It's the reasoning behind it that seems similar to me. In the examples I gave above would they actually kill the person? No, they're expressing that they would be really angry and possible beat, punch, smack, or even slap the person.

      • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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        3 years ago

        There’s no doubt in my mind that if Will Smith punched Chris Rock really hard ppl here would also support it.

        Weird assumption. Why do you think this? I would expect that if Will Smith, say, broke Chris Rock's nose, people would feel pretty differently about it.

        In the examples I gave above would they actually kill the person? No

        Again, weird assumption. Pretty sure at least some of those threats are sincere.

        • queenjamie [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Weird assumption. Why do you think this? I would expect that if Will Smith, say, broke Chris Rock’s nose, people would feel pretty differently about it.

          Eh not too sure about that. Lots of toxic masculinity (still lingering in leftists too IMO), so they might see it as "righteous"

          • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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            3 years ago

            Again, this is purely speculation. If you wanna make up a scenario where people defend a more severe assault just so you can get mad at those people, that's on you.

            • HodgePodge [love/loves]
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              3 years ago

              If you wanna make up a scenario where people defend a more severe assault just so you can get mad at those people, that’s on you.

              that's basically all they're doing in this thread lol it's good slop.

              :party-parrot-popcorn:

                • HodgePodge [love/loves]
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                  3 years ago

                  It's funny watching all of the sleeper accounts pop up like meerkats whenever they think they might be able to make a sitewide struggle session happen lolol

                  • Tervell [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    putting on my sunglasses and saying in a hacker voice "I've been activated", except it's to start a struggle session :fedposting:

        • Slaanesh [he/him, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          I would expect that if Will Smith, say, broke Chris Rock’s nose, people would feel pretty differently about it.

          Nah still alright.