Space sucks, there's nothing even up there. There are plenty of places on Earth that haven't been explored yet, finish with this planet before you start looking at other ones, nerds.
This site claims to be materialist and yet believes in astronomy. Give me a break, I've never touched no star
Nah. Exploring is good. :Laika:
The best argument against it is it is immoral and bourgeois to dedicate money to explore the cosmos when you are not providing reasonable care to your people, the logic of which you could probably extend to all people and things. This is the Whitey on the Moon argument.
But in general principle, working toward diversifying the location of our population so the total sum of human knowledge and achievement can't be obliterated with a single asteroid is good.
This is the Whitey on the Moon argument.
Also seemed to fall a bit flat when you looked at the Soviets doing both with style.
But in general principle, working toward diversifying the location of our population so the total sum of human knowledge and achievement can’t be obliterated with a single asteroid is good.
One might also argue that by providing higher quality of life for a global population, you increase the amount of surplus labor free to do blue-sky research and also increase the incidence of highly educated individuals best positioned to perform this high-end intellectual labor.
Sending a man into an airless, radioactive, near absolute zero void to flex on the capitalists is praxis.
I can't tell if this a bit or Hexbear's weird neo-luddite streak rearing its head again
Exploring the depths of the ocean? Documenting novel life in the deepest jungles of the Amazon? Investing in new forms of biological research focused on the microbial world? Industrializing the Green Economy through programs to reforest deserts and geoenginer the next generation's access to renewable energy, potable water, and arable land?
All examples of the worst forms of luditism.
Can't wait to bring about a golden age of global scientific cooperation using morse code, mail trucks and enough wires to make the transatlantic cable look like a single thread of hair.
enough wires to make the transatlantic cable look like a single thread of hair
Alright, facetious sniping aside, you can't have global communications of the kind we have now without either a) a fuckton of radio towers and fiberoptic cables or b) satellites, or both.
Satellites alleviate the need for big radio towers and fiberoptic cables that are otherwise necessary to communicate across oceans or with very remote areas. Do people living in the Solomon Islands deserve access to the internet? Is thousands of miles of oceanic cable or a network of satellites more feasible for getting it to them? What about ocean-going ships whose trips are made infinitely safer by way of satellite GPS and weather-tracking satellites?
For that matter, what about nearly every global attempt to track and study climate change that makes use of data taken from orbit? What about non-commercial scientific experiments like the kind the old Mir station carried out and China's Tiangong station is carrying out right now? The Hubble and Webb telescopes studying deep space objects, enriching our understanding of the universe?
Opposing all that because astronomy or space travel is "hubristic," is reactionary in the extreme. It's rubbing right up on chuds' fixation on an idealized past, never mind writing off the efforts of AES nations to realize the benefits of space exploration.
wow froge with slightly different color! this is much more important than satellite imaging for climate science!
it is actually. Weather you can see the results, and works in patterns. you have one shot at the frog.
froge will be ok without humans examining its slightly different bone structure, froge will not be ok if planet burns down
interesting. I wonder if combusting a billion gallons of fuel to put a human on the moon to walk around and throw up then leave has made any difference in the climate.
I mean the OG Luddites destroyed technology that was used being used to directly disenfranchise them, I don't see how the James Webb telescope looking at Messier objects is taking away anyone's livelihood.
That's cool and rad.
We are talking about shit like a mars base when we can't even make good bases on earth yet. We can't even make good non-base places on earth either really. Gotta walk before you run.
I definitely despise space at this point. I actively want humanity to live and die on earth. I will foil any attempts to go offworld. It is not worth the effort, and is likely hubristic.
I will foil any attempts to go offworld.
Little late to the race there friend.
Famously, it is physically and physiologically impossible for a sentient creature to focus on more then one thing at a time and attempting to even imagine otherwise is to invite heresy and sin against god herself. :blob-no-thoughts:
We don't more junk. We got plenty enough junk on this plannet already. People wouldn't even make anything cool with it. Just more funco pops or some bullshit.
if were doing mining in space it cant be forced upon 5 year old chileren told to dig coltan with their fingernails, also cant justify destabilizing a country and digging up their forests cuz theres juicy lithium under it
oh you just elected a socialist? we just discovered your country is the ideal landing site for an asteroid containing 1.5T$ worth of platinum
Degrowth becomes possible on earth when industrialization moves to space
De growth is possible now. More possible if we do something about capitism
The quickest way to it is mining asteroids, that and nuclear power. Fight me.
I am with you about nucular power being a good way forward. I don't see how reducing resource prices by flooding the bmarket with space metals would do anything other than create induced demand. Suppose the price of plantim just goes through the floor, they are just going to start making plantnum soda cans just like how aluminum went from a precious metal to a cheap resource.
Probably an improvement all round, but it isn't degrowth and is no way required for making things better.
Stalin would shoot people over this dismissal of the next great industrial revolution.
doing something we do on Earth but at much higher risk and cost to the environment so we can make more things to do the same stuff with really isn't an industrial revolution. Let's figure out how to best distribute what we already have, just adding more stuff isn't better.
Oh my god bud you need rare earths you just do unless we are going full bunga unga. How is asteroid mining a much higher risk? Do you think that by landing on a space rock we will inevitably direct them towards earth?
Oh my god bud you need rare earths you just do unless we are going full bunga unga
this is true actually, some neanderthal made an iphone in 2008 and we left behind the stone age. there was no technology besides sticks and rocks before that.
How is asteroid mining a much higher risk? Do you think that by landing on a space rock we will inevitably direct them towards earth?
ok I wrote this wrong. I meant way higher risk for the humans and expense to the environment. space mining is more dangerous than earth mining because you have to make an environment humans can work in first. It's hard to keep a man-made environment on earth, let alone in space.
It’s the first step towards interplanetary colonialization/ the ecologically controlled some cities humanity will probably have to live in by 2200. Luxury gay space communism doesn’t just happen overnight
I am so deeply opposed to that. Just work with what's already available on Earth. We have done a lot of terraforming already.
No it's not. An ideology dictating the need to grow and develop admits it can't actually meet the needs of its adherents.
a plan on how to work with what you have to improve your conditions. 5-year plans are not an inherent part of Communism, just a tool to be used sometimes. Stalin's plan wasn't to just add more resources to the Soviet Union, but change how the resources it had were being used.
I mean clearly it’s just a giant firmament holding back an endless ocean.
I think we should nuke other planets so people stop asking what's on them.
