Not to mention that recruiters lie. They will tell kids, literal 17 year old children, shit like "oh, you won't see combat, most roles are support roles." That, combined with American indoctrination that what we do oversees is good, makes me a little more willing to accept troops as members of the working class.
It's really easy for leftists to get woke about shit like this instead of thinking materially.
If you're not american then you have no idea how aggressively recruiters pursue impressionable and vulnerable youths. I had one I had never spoken to before literally try to get me to let him come to my house (he had my address though i did not give it to him), pick me up, and take a aptitude test simply by not immediately rejecting him. They called me constantly during my senior year of high school, at least once a week, frequently more. They lied to me blatantly and casually. Promised me everything and told me I'd never see combat. This was during a time when the military was actively preventing people from leaving when their contracts expired.
My parents and grandparents even tried hard to push me into the armed forces when I didn't go to college. When i told them i didn't want to kill people for money they countered "you probably won't be on the front lines, you're too smart for that!". All this on top of an education system which glorifies American imperialism and exceptionalism.
Even knowing then that the war in Iraq was just a smokescreen to steal oil I was still a little tempted because my prospects after high school were bad enough and my family was in a constant cycle of drug abuse and poverty.
I know it's really bad out there for you Americans, and now I'm going to be very fucking rude but I'm not going to give a shit about all that if/when they try to destabilise my country for fucks sake
If they fuck with your country, by all means, fucking fight back. All I'm suggesting is to save your hate for the architects of this system and the chuds who join to rack up brown-people bodycounts. Don't dismiss an entire class of people who, through their experiences, may have become just as disillusioned with the American government as any leftist.
Yeah I hate the architects of the system way more than some troop. I'm sorry for coming across as rude but I'm actually very surprised at the leeway troops are given here.
You have every right to be rude, no need to apologize. My country is a monstrous hellhole bent on exporting all its worst qualities by force, and I'm here asking you to have sympathy for the devil.
Fuck the troops, absolutely, but also realize that many are ripe for conversion to our cause. We need all the help we can get.
It’s really easy for leftists to get woke about shit like this instead of thinking materially.
i'm Arab. I know Iraqis who got injured and fled due to the US invasion. One was only a child when it happened, he didn't deserve to struggle with PTSD for the rest of his life. He didn't deserve all that horror.
I heard all the explanations and justifications there is about why lefties should judge your made-for-exports serial killers less harshly.
They're still bullshit. Like, who lives in a rock and doesn't know the US is invading multiple countries? What are they ignorant of exactly? No, college money or poverty does not make assisting in carnage justifiable. that's not "wokeness".
the moment you set foot on foreign land with an invading army you lose your right to life and there's no taking that action back.
It is wokeness, if you lived in the same shoes as any of these dipshits who join the military, you would make the same fucking choice. You're not inherently better than these people, you would of absolutely made the same decisions and you're walking a very similar line as the fucking fascists by thinking this way. Also by themselves, a bunch of crybaby, vegan leftists who never held a gun or had anything resembling military training aren't going to be able to do much to a bunch of fascists who eat, sleep, shit military and killing people. You dig your own fucking grave.
I could've joined ISIS at some point for the money too. i've seen how their propaganda paints it. hell one of my teachers strongly suspected i would but i see i'm not a fucking monster. it's insanely obvious invading others and killing are bad.
aren’t going to be able to do much to a bunch of fascists who eat, sleep, shit military and killing people.
You overestimate the "military training" of fascists. They're dangerous but are no state military. Also you can train to use guns and guerilla tactics without having to join the damn US military.
The US doesn't paint it as invading, the fact that we've been in Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years wasn't imperialism or invasion, they just simply can't leave the country in the state it is in! And we don't kill with impunity, we only kill terrorists. Also, you kill people who are going to kill you, and that's what we're told over here. Terrorists want to kill us.
I could’ve joined ISIS at some point for the money too.
Does ISIS let women or trans people join ISIS in any meaningful combat role?
neither does ISIS. hell ISIS has a better argument for being there in the first place.
Does ISIS let women or trans people join ISIS in any meaningful combat role?
i'm not sure how "meaningful" but there was a women-only police force and several terrorist attacks and shootings were done by women. but even if one isn't combat inclined partaking in propaganda and recruitment alone is dangerous.
Not to mention that recruiters lie. They will tell kids, literal 17 year old children, shit like "oh, you won't see combat, most roles are support roles." That, combined with American indoctrination that what we do oversees is good, makes me a little more willing to accept troops as members of the working class.
It's really easy for leftists to get woke about shit like this instead of thinking materially.
Or we're not American and sick and tired of American aggression in our countries
If you're not american then you have no idea how aggressively recruiters pursue impressionable and vulnerable youths. I had one I had never spoken to before literally try to get me to let him come to my house (he had my address though i did not give it to him), pick me up, and take a aptitude test simply by not immediately rejecting him. They called me constantly during my senior year of high school, at least once a week, frequently more. They lied to me blatantly and casually. Promised me everything and told me I'd never see combat. This was during a time when the military was actively preventing people from leaving when their contracts expired.
My parents and grandparents even tried hard to push me into the armed forces when I didn't go to college. When i told them i didn't want to kill people for money they countered "you probably won't be on the front lines, you're too smart for that!". All this on top of an education system which glorifies American imperialism and exceptionalism.
Even knowing then that the war in Iraq was just a smokescreen to steal oil I was still a little tempted because my prospects after high school were bad enough and my family was in a constant cycle of drug abuse and poverty.
I know it's really bad out there for you Americans, and now I'm going to be very fucking rude but I'm not going to give a shit about all that if/when they try to destabilise my country for fucks sake
If they fuck with your country, by all means, fucking fight back. All I'm suggesting is to save your hate for the architects of this system and the chuds who join to rack up brown-people bodycounts. Don't dismiss an entire class of people who, through their experiences, may have become just as disillusioned with the American government as any leftist.
Yeah I hate the architects of the system way more than some troop. I'm sorry for coming across as rude but I'm actually very surprised at the leeway troops are given here.
You have every right to be rude, no need to apologize. My country is a monstrous hellhole bent on exporting all its worst qualities by force, and I'm here asking you to have sympathy for the devil.
Fuck the troops, absolutely, but also realize that many are ripe for conversion to our cause. We need all the help we can get.
i'm Arab. I know Iraqis who got injured and fled due to the US invasion. One was only a child when it happened, he didn't deserve to struggle with PTSD for the rest of his life. He didn't deserve all that horror. I heard all the explanations and justifications there is about why lefties should judge your made-for-exports serial killers less harshly.
They're still bullshit. Like, who lives in a rock and doesn't know the US is invading multiple countries? What are they ignorant of exactly? No, college money or poverty does not make assisting in carnage justifiable. that's not "wokeness".
the moment you set foot on foreign land with an invading army you lose your right to life and there's no taking that action back.
It is wokeness, if you lived in the same shoes as any of these dipshits who join the military, you would make the same fucking choice. You're not inherently better than these people, you would of absolutely made the same decisions and you're walking a very similar line as the fucking fascists by thinking this way. Also by themselves, a bunch of crybaby, vegan leftists who never held a gun or had anything resembling military training aren't going to be able to do much to a bunch of fascists who eat, sleep, shit military and killing people. You dig your own fucking grave.
I could've joined ISIS at some point for the money too. i've seen how their propaganda paints it. hell one of my teachers strongly suspected i would but i see i'm not a fucking monster. it's insanely obvious invading others and killing are bad.
You overestimate the "military training" of fascists. They're dangerous but are no state military. Also you can train to use guns and guerilla tactics without having to join the damn US military.
The US doesn't paint it as invading, the fact that we've been in Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years wasn't imperialism or invasion, they just simply can't leave the country in the state it is in! And we don't kill with impunity, we only kill terrorists. Also, you kill people who are going to kill you, and that's what we're told over here. Terrorists want to kill us.
Does ISIS let women or trans people join ISIS in any meaningful combat role?
neither does ISIS. hell ISIS has a better argument for being there in the first place.
i'm not sure how "meaningful" but there was a women-only police force and several terrorist attacks and shootings were done by women. but even if one isn't combat inclined partaking in propaganda and recruitment alone is dangerous.