I don't have a link and can't be bothered to look it up.

Also somebody called it a "woke Jordan Peterson lecture" which made me wonder whether somebody is doing the whole jungian "helping young people to self-actualize" grift but without the reactionary baggage. Won't be surprised there's demand for that.

  • bombshell [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    I would say rather that Disney has HIJACKED the role of fairy tales in our culture.

    Walt Disney made millions off of appropriating public domain works. How many people even today think that Cinderella and the Seven Dwarves and Sleeping Beauty are copyrighted works?

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      This. Fairy tales do hold a sacred role in culture, and, like religion, that role prevents capitalism from alienating away every aspect of the human condition and using it as a money pump. So capitalism must degrade and assimilate them.

      That said even Disney's bowdlerised versions were great in their own way, but things went sharply downhill after Ashman died and the more modern scripts stopped having overt LGBT coding.

      Even in the BatB->Aladdin->Lion king trilogy you can see capitalism realising it can commercialise the living shit out of this thing and ramping up the money pumps more and more (something that Robin Williams discovered and why you won't find the genie's songs on the animated album these days.)

      • bombshell [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        That said even Disney’s bowdlerised versions were great in their own way

        Anyone ever actually read Grimm's Fairy Tales? Shit is dark. Children die all the time. There is a whole section of stories that teach the lesson "beware of Jews, they are bad news."

        • Mardoniush [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          Oh yeah, Cinderella's sisters having to dance in iron hot shoes till they die and all that.

  • happybadger [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I want to see what happens when societal collapse hits Disney Adults. Will they retreat into full delusion like a Fallout faction? Will they stop being the world's youngest 38 year-old? Will they even notice until the cartoons stop flowing?

  • NuraShiny [any]
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    3 years ago

    Leave it to the market to tell children fairy tales, because you are at work at your 2nd job, citizen.

    • Anemasta [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Honestly makes me relate to the primitivist take that everyone used to participate in creating, sustaining and replicating of music, art and culture. Now those things are outsourced to a handful of professionals, while the wast majority have been downgraded to passive consumers.

      • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        That collective approach used to live on in folk art to some degree, and remnants of it are still found in subcultures heavy on the DIY aspect. After the mid 20th century move towards superstar cults, high "production values" and a complete commercialization and commodification of cultural production, i'd argue there's been a strong countermovement in scenes like punk, hip hop and techno, in online communities centered around user-created content (memes, fanfiction, video essays etc.), in indie game development and so on. When i look at music production in particular, making and distributing your own recordings has never been easier and more egalitarian. We could easily live in the most creative society of all times if we'd get rid of media corporations and IP laws.

        • Anemasta [any]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          I feel like there's a deeper problem here than corporations and IP law. A century ago my horrible screeching over a guitar might have been the best music people around me were going to get without a hussle of traveling to a music hall or something. Nowadays all of the world's best music is a button press away. Same with the other forms of art.

          That's one of the things I like about ttrpgs. My friends can easily play much better games than stupid prototypes that I concoct in Unity, they can read better books than my half-baked short hard sci-fi stories. Sure, they might partake out of politeness and I don't judge, I've been on the other end. But when I'm GMing they have no better choice than to deal with all the stupid shit that I've came up with or at least until they've made AI GMs.

  • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    Why do I feel this is a lead up to a Mad Max style cult with a crucified Walt Disney bearing the sins of humanity alongside the Holy Ghost of Mickey Mouse or some other such insane shit?

  • Mother [any]
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    3 years ago

    Americans have no culture

    We are the nothing, mindlessly spreading and destroying all

  • OldMole [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Imagine believing what the first tweet says, and thinking it is a good thing. Love to give control of our collective consciousness to a corporation.

    • Commander_Data [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      I mean, the first tweet is true, though. The dissemination of information through myth and story has been part of human society for tens of thousands of years. The ability to communicate information through abstract thought is, as far as we know, something that is unique to human beings. Prior to language and story, organisms could only transmit information to successive generations through their DNA. That makes storytelling a pretty cool thing. Sacred is kind of a loaded term, but you can easily replace it with "vital" if you want to remove the spiritual overtones. Disney has taken a hegemonic position in Western cultural myth, that can't be disputed. This is obviously not a good thing if the liberal values being disseminated in Disney content are antithetical to your world view, but it doesn't change the fact that Disney has a dominant position in the transmission of Western cultural information and values.

  • SirKlingoftheDrains [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    When is disney going to make a movie about Oz like board rooms behind curtains using an evil cartoon mouse to monopolize popular imagination and become the sole dream fodder of generations of children? I'm think about getting plus if it drops

    • Anemasta [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      I know, I know. I just wonder if it's a coincidence that jungian bullshit found it purchase exclusively with a particular sort of a right-winger or if this backwardness is fundamental to the whole jungian thing.

  • mittens [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The second tweet is a joke, there's no way it's serious

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    16 days ago

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