reminds me of the rehabilitation of Rommel the allies did in Germany after ww2. they needed a founding myth for the new German army to join NATO, and so really focused on this idea Rommel was super anti nazi and did what he did as a general for Germany because following the chain of command is all that matters. and sure Rommel had issues with Hitler, but he still helped the fucking nazis! pretty sure furthering the aims and goals of the nazis by force, kinda makes you a nazi
reluctant Nazis seems to be a big theme, I just watched the 1981 German movie Das Boot, about the crew of a Nazi U-boat. The captain and the crew are portrayed as apolitical, just doing their jobs, only one stuck up upper class crew member is portrayed as a Nazi ideologue. Their whole mission is to sink British merchant ships and they even had a scene where they felt really really sad that the ship, they torpedoed a second time to make sure it fully sunk, still had crew on board.
They even had a little side story about a young boyish crew member who writes love letters to his pregnant girlfriend. His girlfriend is French and story is taking place during Nazi occupation of France. The French girl hooks up with a Nazi after her country occupied, poor Nazi boy...
Those collaborators got what was coming to them after the war. But they still tried to cast themselves as the victims.
"My little Josiane, it's too horrible. Her hair has been cut off, monsieur. Poor little Josiane! If she went to bed with Germans, it was because she's seventeen, monsieur, you follow me? But why ever cut off her hair for it? It's a crying shame, monsieur. She's just as willing to go to bed with Americans!"
-- Frenchwoman, "Paris in the Third Reich: A History of the German Occupation, 1940-1944", David Pryce-Jones (1981)
Real "the Vietnam War was bad because it made US soldiers sad :-(" vibes. Honestly, this may be one where the porn parody, Das Booty, may in fact be less problematic.
Reminds me of the plot set up for one of the earlier episodes for Black Lagoon (which had the crew excavating a long-sunk U-boat). Even had a Japanese officer on board the U-boat because of course.
following the chain of command is all that matters.
that's hilarious, because Rommel was one of the old breed of Generals who thought he didn't have to obey orders, and he couldn't be easily reprimanded because he was close friends with Hitler, which is why he was given command on secondary fronts like North Africa and France where he had a lot more freedom, while all the good generals were fighting in the east.
reminds me of the rehabilitation of Rommel the allies did in Germany after ww2. they needed a founding myth for the new German army to join NATO, and so really focused on this idea Rommel was super anti nazi and did what he did as a general for Germany because following the chain of command is all that matters. and sure Rommel had issues with Hitler, but he still helped the fucking nazis! pretty sure furthering the aims and goals of the nazis by force, kinda makes you a nazi
reluctant Nazis seems to be a big theme, I just watched the 1981 German movie Das Boot, about the crew of a Nazi U-boat. The captain and the crew are portrayed as apolitical, just doing their jobs, only one stuck up upper class crew member is portrayed as a Nazi ideologue. Their whole mission is to sink British merchant ships and they even had a scene where they felt really really sad that the ship, they torpedoed a second time to make sure it fully sunk, still had crew on board.
They even had a little side story about a young boyish crew member who writes love letters to his pregnant girlfriend. His girlfriend is French and story is taking place during Nazi occupation of France. The French girl hooks up with a Nazi after her country occupied, poor Nazi boy...
Those collaborators got what was coming to them after the war. But they still tried to cast themselves as the victims.
"My little Josiane, it's too horrible. Her hair has been cut off, monsieur. Poor little Josiane! If she went to bed with Germans, it was because she's seventeen, monsieur, you follow me? But why ever cut off her hair for it? It's a crying shame, monsieur. She's just as willing to go to bed with Americans!"
-- Frenchwoman, "Paris in the Third Reich: A History of the German Occupation, 1940-1944", David Pryce-Jones (1981)
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If they were Nazis? HELL YES. They are ontologically evil and there is no act against them which is wrong. And their collaborators.
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I mean, not everyone. Coco Chanel walked away with no repercussions
Real "the Vietnam War was bad because it made US soldiers sad :-(" vibes. Honestly, this may be one where the porn parody, Das Booty, may in fact be less problematic.
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Reminds me of the plot set up for one of the earlier episodes for Black Lagoon (which had the crew excavating a long-sunk U-boat). Even had a Japanese officer on board the U-boat because of course.
Hitler: Hey Rommel, how about you go shoot yourself in the head for disobeying me? Would be less disgraceful than if i have you hanged, right?
Rommel: kk thx :yes-honey-left:
Bundeswehr generals: OMG what a hero, take this gold kind stranger! :gold-antifa:
that's hilarious, because Rommel was one of the old breed of Generals who thought he didn't have to obey orders, and he couldn't be easily reprimanded because he was close friends with Hitler, which is why he was given command on secondary fronts like North Africa and France where he had a lot more freedom, while all the good generals were fighting in the east.