Why don't you have a fun laugh at the abuse stories on r/exmormon too bro!
For you it's just about how wacky the ideology is on paper or how ridiculous it sounds being screamed by a believer, not how horrifically it's being implemented on existing people those believers have active control over.
Also beyond treating the ideology as "amusing" Felix is just falsely writing their behaviors off as harmless, which implies he's only had superficial interactions with believers.
or aren’t a black person at risk of being harassed or assaulted in the street by them for holding hands with someone non-black.
Where are you from where this is remotely an issue? Do you know any black people who went thru this? Has this happened to you or someone you know?
Why don’t you have a fun laugh at the abuse stories on r/exmormon too bro
Yes r/exmormon famous place where no one ever cracks jokes about mormonism
For you it’s just about how wacky the ideology is on paper or how ridiculous it sounds being screamed by a believer
lol there is no "on paper" for me I KNOW NOI members, and yes they have reactionary tendencies not to the extent of the cultists you're describing, but no one ever called child services on them or accused them of child trafficking, sounds to me like this is a mostly on paper thing for you
At the risk of compromising my opsec: I once attended a sermon by a NOI preacher (wasn't my idea) the dude spent the whole time railing against the Iraq war and extolling black people to "boycott" the US military and how the US hanging Saddam made them "no better than him", the best sermon I ever went to, and it's one of my best goofy stories to tell, it's like people in real life are dynamic or something and don't just fall into neat little moralistic categories, Idk maybe that's just me
Yes the leadership are monsters and plenty of splinter cults have engaged in horrific shit, but that's no different from any other hierarchical religion, and it doesn't mean you're out of touch for cracking jokes or finding the mythology fascinating
how likely do you think they would make excuses for them, to reaffirm their faith in the leaders’ power? And if you say they are just like any other conservative cult, why treat this one with kid gloves?
Why would I make excuses for child traffickers, and who said I'm treating NOI with kids gloves, you like making bullshit assumptions don't you?
Exactly, your relationship to it is anthropological, consumption from afar, and superficial
"Consumption from afar" motherfucker I was in the front row, I knew the family, who are you, where you from again? And "insular" funny considering partially the only reason I attended the sermon was because the local NOI chapter extended an invitation to the local black mosque to swap preachers for a couple sermons, everyone knew the NOI families and no one had reason to suspect they were performing cult rituals with their children in the basement, but I guess we all should have just been paranoid and sicced the cops on them "just in case"
He does the same shit with the Tariq Nasheed fans, because his relationship with the guy begins and ends at the funny stupid shit he says, but for black women, gay black people, and black people in interracial relationships Nasheed’s followers are a constant source of abuse.
You really are online
Making fun of a belief system like Mormonism is one thing
No, it's the same fucking thing, now you have me wondering what it is about NOI that you find so uniquely repulsive despite the fact that Mormonism is a far more powerful and dangerous religion just in terms of scale and influence alone, you gonna make another post like this when Felix cracks one of his ironic Mormons are the real Americans bits
but how would it sound if Felix talked about the kind of Mormonism described in r/exmormon the way he talked about NOI, saying all their kids are totally normal and it’s mostly just having boomer books and being nice?
You ever been to r/exmormon that's literally what their struggle sessions are all about
Any read of your comments above would indicate this.
Yeah, a disingenuous read looking for sympathies that don't exist, what part of "Yes the leadership are monsters and plenty of splinter cults have engaged in horrific shit" is confusing to you?
Yeah that is not mutually exclusive with “insular” in the definition that no followers report one another’s activities to the outside world
Funny considering that preacher was pretty open about his theological/political disagreements with what he called "corporate Chicago" in a chapter that was supposedly the largest, almost like real life is weird and messy
You have to twist my definition to mean physically afar
And you have to butcher a bunch of sociology terms to present my experience with the cult as some sort of aberration, just what do you think I meant when I said I knew the families, do you think it was a passing acquaintance, I know their kids, we went to school together, we grew together up, I still keep up with one of them semi-regularly (thinking about texting this exchange to see what they think) they're all ex-members, last I knew they all have the same basic take on the cult as Felix does, as do most people who knew them and grew up in the community, recognizing the basic fact that experiences can differ even with wild cults doesn't invalidate the experiences your supposed partner went thru
You really don’t know how much this shit has bled into real life among the black community, including how the recent subway shooter parroted Nasheed’s viewpoints.
lmao just stop, I promise you the Disciples of Nasheed are not tearing apart the "black community" get off twitter
The point is making fun of the ideology is different than Felix baseless decreeing the followers are just race swapped Ann Coulter fans
Your bizarre, convoluted point rests on the assumption that Ann Coulters fans aren't exactly the same type of people with insane religious mindsets, do you think Felix was giving NOI a compliment when he compared them to boomer chuds, BOOMER CHUDS are more fuckin dangerous to my life and all the lives of those victims you hide your takes behind then NOI times 10, so what is your point, is NOI more dangerous to black gay people than Ann Coulter and her ilk? Cause if so, that's fuckin stupid
“Nice edits by the way”
When you type something stand by it, don't get shy, say what you mean
And I notice you never engage with the gay kids point because you can’t justify it.
Why would I argue with a point I agree with, you and your bullshit assumptions
5 old day account trying to argue Ann Coulter and millions upon millions of chuds she represents are less dangerous than a shrinking cult with 50,000 members while labeling anyone who disagrees with this batshit take a transphobe
The fact you don't take Ann Coulter seriously shows your disregard for Muslim Americans who are subjected to decades of FBI harassment and torture, there how you like them apples fuckface
You implied all of that with every other sentence you dumbass troll, you gave away the game multiple times, did you seriously think you were being clever lol?
And nobody gives a fuck about Farrakhan’s views he has no political influence in this country, (50,000 members the majority of whom are harmless vs hundreds of millions of chuds who vote and want to create a fascist utopia)
Again you wreckers cant ever successfully troll this site cause you dipshits don’t know how to develop a materialist analysis of anything, it’s all backwards idealistic moralism with you hacks, a perfect mirror of the liberal mindset and most people here don’t truck with that nonsense
That account is a wrecker, 5 days old account and now is trying to tell me Ann Coulter and the chuds she represents isn't really that big a deal compared to NOI, lol I smell a troll
Things being traumatic and fucked up makes them funnier usually. It's kinda how that works. Like cops, Nazis, etc are inherently silly and ridiculous. Funny doesn't mean good or harmless. In fact, if something is harmless its hard to find any humor in it.
fwiw, as someone raised in a very different kind of fascist ideology, the details are remarkably similar to my own experiences - I totally get people thinking their experience with one religious fascist group translates into experience with another. as much as we need to be careful of generalizing our personal experiences too far, we should also be careful of pre-supposing that our experiences - or those of the people close to us - are exceedingly unique, awful in a way that transcends others abilities to understand without some kind of direct experience. this latter view, that only direct experience can possibly give any true knowledge of a struggle, is supremely isolating. it denies the human capacity for empathy towards others with experiences unlike our own.
in the end, we're all remembering our own traumas, or those of the people closest to us. and to laugh at those experiences is to build a kind of power over them. we don't laugh at the NOI or any other group of reactionaries to minimize the harm they cause but because they deserve to be laughed at. their behavior is ludicrous and ludicrously harmful to the people around them. humor provides that frame of mind and shields us from the dark memories that would otherwise leave us in tears.
and to remember the people around or just inside one of these groups as merely kooky isn't minimizing the whole cult. most of the people inside these theocratic groups really are merely kinda weird. the danger these groups represent is that they hide and shield the truly dangerous people, make them out to be normal and upstanding members of society. the rest... they're people caught up in something dangerous, that makes them toxic to others. but if we're to dismantle these cults, those people have to be brought out and deprogrammed. ultimately, they are merely kind of kooky people, with an asterisk that if you get too close, they may be able to suck you into a dark and violent group.
Of course it's funny if you don't imagine these people currently having kids who are subject to their beliefs and abuse.
Here's some funny hijinks the NOI has been up to, like human trafficking and forced child labor! Those scamps!
https://www.mcguirewoods.com/news/press-releases/2018/5/Trafficking-Survivor-Awarded-Damages-Lawsuit-Against-Regimented-Cult
https://www.thedailybeast.com/united-nation-of-islam-cult-leaders-forced-colonics-weekly-weigh-ins-on-kids-feds-say
Why don't you have a fun laugh at the abuse stories on r/exmormon too bro!
For you it's just about how wacky the ideology is on paper or how ridiculous it sounds being screamed by a believer, not how horrifically it's being implemented on existing people those believers have active control over.
Also beyond treating the ideology as "amusing" Felix is just falsely writing their behaviors off as harmless, which implies he's only had superficial interactions with believers.
Where are you from where this is remotely an issue? Do you know any black people who went thru this? Has this happened to you or someone you know?
Yes r/exmormon famous place where no one ever cracks jokes about mormonism
lol there is no "on paper" for me I KNOW NOI members, and yes they have reactionary tendencies not to the extent of the cultists you're describing, but no one ever called child services on them or accused them of child trafficking, sounds to me like this is a mostly on paper thing for you
At the risk of compromising my opsec: I once attended a sermon by a NOI preacher (wasn't my idea) the dude spent the whole time railing against the Iraq war and extolling black people to "boycott" the US military and how the US hanging Saddam made them "no better than him", the best sermon I ever went to, and it's one of my best goofy stories to tell, it's like people in real life are dynamic or something and don't just fall into neat little moralistic categories, Idk maybe that's just me
Yes the leadership are monsters and plenty of splinter cults have engaged in horrific shit, but that's no different from any other hierarchical religion, and it doesn't mean you're out of touch for cracking jokes or finding the mythology fascinating
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Why would I make excuses for child traffickers, and who said I'm treating NOI with kids gloves, you like making bullshit assumptions don't you?
"Consumption from afar" motherfucker I was in the front row, I knew the family, who are you, where you from again? And "insular" funny considering partially the only reason I attended the sermon was because the local NOI chapter extended an invitation to the local black mosque to swap preachers for a couple sermons, everyone knew the NOI families and no one had reason to suspect they were performing cult rituals with their children in the basement, but I guess we all should have just been paranoid and sicced the cops on them "just in case"
You really are online
No, it's the same fucking thing, now you have me wondering what it is about NOI that you find so uniquely repulsive despite the fact that Mormonism is a far more powerful and dangerous religion just in terms of scale and influence alone, you gonna make another post like this when Felix cracks one of his ironic Mormons are the real Americans bits
You ever been to r/exmormon that's literally what their struggle sessions are all about
Nice edits by the way
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Yeah, a disingenuous read looking for sympathies that don't exist, what part of "Yes the leadership are monsters and plenty of splinter cults have engaged in horrific shit" is confusing to you?
Funny considering that preacher was pretty open about his theological/political disagreements with what he called "corporate Chicago" in a chapter that was supposedly the largest, almost like real life is weird and messy
And you have to butcher a bunch of sociology terms to present my experience with the cult as some sort of aberration, just what do you think I meant when I said I knew the families, do you think it was a passing acquaintance, I know their kids, we went to school together, we grew together up, I still keep up with one of them semi-regularly (thinking about texting this exchange to see what they think) they're all ex-members, last I knew they all have the same basic take on the cult as Felix does, as do most people who knew them and grew up in the community, recognizing the basic fact that experiences can differ even with wild cults doesn't invalidate the experiences your supposed partner went thru
lmao just stop, I promise you the Disciples of Nasheed are not tearing apart the "black community" get off twitter
Your bizarre, convoluted point rests on the assumption that Ann Coulters fans aren't exactly the same type of people with insane religious mindsets, do you think Felix was giving NOI a compliment when he compared them to boomer chuds, BOOMER CHUDS are more fuckin dangerous to my life and all the lives of those victims you hide your takes behind then NOI times 10, so what is your point, is NOI more dangerous to black gay people than Ann Coulter and her ilk? Cause if so, that's fuckin stupid
When you type something stand by it, don't get shy, say what you mean
Why would I argue with a point I agree with, you and your bullshit assumptions
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5 old day account trying to argue Ann Coulter and millions upon millions of chuds she represents are less dangerous than a shrinking cult with 50,000 members while labeling anyone who disagrees with this batshit take a transphobe
The fact you don't take Ann Coulter seriously shows your disregard for Muslim Americans who are subjected to decades of FBI harassment and torture, there how you like them apples fuckface
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You implied all of that with every other sentence you dumbass troll, you gave away the game multiple times, did you seriously think you were being clever lol?
And nobody gives a fuck about Farrakhan’s views he has no political influence in this country, (50,000 members the majority of whom are harmless vs hundreds of millions of chuds who vote and want to create a fascist utopia)
Again you wreckers cant ever successfully troll this site cause you dipshits don’t know how to develop a materialist analysis of anything, it’s all backwards idealistic moralism with you hacks, a perfect mirror of the liberal mindset and most people here don’t truck with that nonsense
Better luck next time wrecker :)
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All of their articles that I've seen are about splinter cults too lol
That account is a wrecker, 5 days old account and now is trying to tell me Ann Coulter and the chuds she represents isn't really that big a deal compared to NOI, lol I smell a troll
either a troll or someone who legit thinks right-wing white chuds are less of a threat to them.
:thinking-about-it:
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Things being traumatic and fucked up makes them funnier usually. It's kinda how that works. Like cops, Nazis, etc are inherently silly and ridiculous. Funny doesn't mean good or harmless. In fact, if something is harmless its hard to find any humor in it.
Buddy let me introduce you to something I like to call....... Cold Pockets
I'd be pretty tramatized if I bit into a hot pocket and it was literally ice cubes. Start questioning reality after that.
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True
fwiw, as someone raised in a very different kind of fascist ideology, the details are remarkably similar to my own experiences - I totally get people thinking their experience with one religious fascist group translates into experience with another. as much as we need to be careful of generalizing our personal experiences too far, we should also be careful of pre-supposing that our experiences - or those of the people close to us - are exceedingly unique, awful in a way that transcends others abilities to understand without some kind of direct experience. this latter view, that only direct experience can possibly give any true knowledge of a struggle, is supremely isolating. it denies the human capacity for empathy towards others with experiences unlike our own.
in the end, we're all remembering our own traumas, or those of the people closest to us. and to laugh at those experiences is to build a kind of power over them. we don't laugh at the NOI or any other group of reactionaries to minimize the harm they cause but because they deserve to be laughed at. their behavior is ludicrous and ludicrously harmful to the people around them. humor provides that frame of mind and shields us from the dark memories that would otherwise leave us in tears.
and to remember the people around or just inside one of these groups as merely kooky isn't minimizing the whole cult. most of the people inside these theocratic groups really are merely kinda weird. the danger these groups represent is that they hide and shield the truly dangerous people, make them out to be normal and upstanding members of society. the rest... they're people caught up in something dangerous, that makes them toxic to others. but if we're to dismantle these cults, those people have to be brought out and deprogrammed. ultimately, they are merely kind of kooky people, with an asterisk that if you get too close, they may be able to suck you into a dark and violent group.
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