Citing a news report about an FBI raid involves getting a quote from them, that means the event never happened!
(yawn) if you don’t understand the US has a long history of using the feds and criminal justice system to smear black groups, then I don’t know what to tell you. the FBI isn’t a reliable source, that’s not a controversial opinion.
And nice job rephrasing my mention of Frank Luntz focus grouping ways to sell evil policies to the public as me praising their creativity so you could, what imply that I am CIA?
Most verbose comments include a call for the left to use right-wing organizing strategies
Suddenly posts whatever this niche garbage is. The overwhelming number of Euros on here don't give a shit about this topic (not that it's bad to educate but framing is important) so it feels like they're really reaching to create controversy with something they already have info on
They don't seem to have a good justification for it. It's too much of a conspiracy post to be a real dunk but they don't really have a reason why they care or why we should care.
Immediately brings out insults when you call them out
One of their dunk reasons is that the guy is Jewish
don’t give a shit about this topic (not that it’s bad to educate but framing is important)
yup. an effort post on why NOI is fucked up / not leftist would be a great resource.
Most verbose comments include a call for the left to use right-wing organizing strategies
why do these kind of trolls always have the same disorganized writing style too? reads like a redd*tor who thinks more words = better
One of their dunk reasons is that the guy is Jewish
fucking thank you. ironic since NOI is frequently criticized for their antisemitism. I was waiting for someone else to name that because I’ve been giving this dude enough shit.
I don't have a position about this topic because I frankly don't care about it. The part that I care about is that you appear to be using a posting method that's commonly used to sow division in social networks. And when people have called you out on it, rather than doing self-reflection, you dig in your heels further.
Maybe consider how this sort of thing makes you look as someone new around here. If this NOI topic really is that important to you and you're not just wrecking, then consider that there are better ways of getting your point across if you have patience and don't see the community as something adversarial to be conquered. Your urgency in defending your point at all costs suggests that you're more invested in this topic than you are with the social fabric of the space.
Most people on here haven't watched a Chapotraphouse episode in years, if ever (hence the hexbear rebranding). Most have moved far beyond vaguely leftist media and social democrats. It's just not something we consider worth talking about anymore because things like Breadtube, Berniebro podcasts, and "The Squad" are ultimately incapable of envisioning real social progress. If one of them is being weird and racist or reactionary, we just chalk it up to their liberalism and move on. Sometimes we do dunk on their shit opinions, but there's a difference between an obvious joke and an effortpost. You've blended the two together in a way that looks like trolling on the surface level.
We're very sensitive to trolling/wrecking because there are a lot of people out there who don't want us to exist. This place got thrown out of reddit for a reason and people show up all the time thinking they can sneak their bad faith actions under the radar. Our users are saying you fit the profile because of the stuff I said in my last comment.
It sounds like you have a lot to work through, but this probably isn't the space for it due to the community's detachment both from the podcast and with NOI. At least while you're a newbie and have few/no friends, it's going to be difficult to educate people on this topic because it's very niche compared to the issues we normally discuss. Consider getting to know people first, read some literature and read the sidebars in some of our comms. If you stick around for a while we'll even try to learn about you.
If I could give you a few pointers for some starter lit:
naw, I think you’re probs just killing time on Sunday. idk what kind of shift schedule feds have though, maybe it isn’t their weekend.
is there a reason you keep jumping to articles about these splinter cults from NOI while talking about them like they’re the actual NOI? you’re pretty grouchy so maybe that’s what is setting off my spidergirl sense
the feds don’t particularly care about ideology, just that a group of marginalized people is creating a parallel power structure. the org / structure can be dysfunctional, it’s just the act of marginalized people coming together that scares the state.
it’s odd you’re painting the experiences of someone in kansas city as somehow being the same as someone from NYC. even weirder to claim that a breakaway group located in the midwest is the same as the larger group they broke away from. what are your thoughts on the NOI groups in NYC and DC?
interesting, okay. the folks I know who are in NOI in my city are about on par with moderate black southern baptists. They’re neutral on queerness and we volunteer at some of the same food kitchens.
The only negative talk I’ve heard from them is against white people, but it’s impossible to be racist against white people anyway so :vivian-shrug:
no idea about the Nation Of Islam’s behavior in other cities, but they’re not on my list of groups I’m worried about based on my experiences.
I know they scare the shit out of white supremacists, though, which is probably why that 4chan shooter had a picture of yakuba pinned up in his saw trap of an apartment.
They are literally where the racist “We Wuz Kangz” meme came from.
I don’t know the meme, but “we were kings” is a completely understandable framing of the African diaspora.
The shooter had a pic of Yakub in his house because the 4 Channers make fun of the idea that Yakub created white people and call that action “based”
:fash-bash:
anyway yeah, I 100% would not allow my kids to have white dolls. People of color get enough white beauty standards every day.
Everyone here was freaking out about that news story of Texas schools running “illegal immigrant drills” to stoke fear in kids, but NOI parents literally do thing in this vein to their kids at home.
wanting my kids to play with toys that look like them makes me a white lib mom lol ok
Where I heard about this? My partner’s NOI loving parent screaming that Mexicans would kidnap and sell her during the race war? Any online NOI content pertaining to the undocumented?
okay, so send that online NOI content over then. I’m not finding anything.
I don’t have much of an opinion on modern NOI aside from the followers I regularly volunteered with who have all been fine. I’m not a fan of Farrakhan, who is antisemitic. People frequently try to point to him as a way to equate white nationalism and black nationalism, which is cringe and inaccurate.
thanks :big-cool:
(yawn) if you don’t understand the US has a long history of using the feds and criminal justice system to smear black groups, then I don’t know what to tell you. the FBI isn’t a reliable source, that’s not a controversial opinion.
oooh that’s a good summersault. do another one.
Checklist time:
btw, you should do a generic version of this as an effort post. If you do, I’ll turn it into a shitposty infographic lol
You mean a troll-spotting post?
I guess yeah. Your checklist formatting was really clear and crisp. :bloomer:
I'm not the most experienced but I will look into it.
yup. an effort post on why NOI is fucked up / not leftist would be a great resource.
why do these kind of trolls always have the same disorganized writing style too? reads like a redd*tor who thinks more words = better
fucking thank you. ironic since NOI is frequently criticized for their antisemitism. I was waiting for someone else to name that because I’ve been giving this dude enough shit.
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I don't have a position about this topic because I frankly don't care about it. The part that I care about is that you appear to be using a posting method that's commonly used to sow division in social networks. And when people have called you out on it, rather than doing self-reflection, you dig in your heels further.
Maybe consider how this sort of thing makes you look as someone new around here. If this NOI topic really is that important to you and you're not just wrecking, then consider that there are better ways of getting your point across if you have patience and don't see the community as something adversarial to be conquered. Your urgency in defending your point at all costs suggests that you're more invested in this topic than you are with the social fabric of the space.
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So, a couple things:
Most people on here haven't watched a Chapotraphouse episode in years, if ever (hence the hexbear rebranding). Most have moved far beyond vaguely leftist media and social democrats. It's just not something we consider worth talking about anymore because things like Breadtube, Berniebro podcasts, and "The Squad" are ultimately incapable of envisioning real social progress. If one of them is being weird and racist or reactionary, we just chalk it up to their liberalism and move on. Sometimes we do dunk on their shit opinions, but there's a difference between an obvious joke and an effortpost. You've blended the two together in a way that looks like trolling on the surface level.
We're very sensitive to trolling/wrecking because there are a lot of people out there who don't want us to exist. This place got thrown out of reddit for a reason and people show up all the time thinking they can sneak their bad faith actions under the radar. Our users are saying you fit the profile because of the stuff I said in my last comment.
It sounds like you have a lot to work through, but this probably isn't the space for it due to the community's detachment both from the podcast and with NOI. At least while you're a newbie and have few/no friends, it's going to be difficult to educate people on this topic because it's very niche compared to the issues we normally discuss. Consider getting to know people first, read some literature and read the sidebars in some of our comms. If you stick around for a while we'll even try to learn about you.
If I could give you a few pointers for some starter lit:
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naw, I think you’re probs just killing time on Sunday. idk what kind of shift schedule feds have though, maybe it isn’t their weekend.
is there a reason you keep jumping to articles about these splinter cults from NOI while talking about them like they’re the actual NOI? you’re pretty grouchy so maybe that’s what is setting off my spidergirl sense
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the feds don’t particularly care about ideology, just that a group of marginalized people is creating a parallel power structure. the org / structure can be dysfunctional, it’s just the act of marginalized people coming together that scares the state.
it’s odd you’re painting the experiences of someone in kansas city as somehow being the same as someone from NYC. even weirder to claim that a breakaway group located in the midwest is the same as the larger group they broke away from. what are your thoughts on the NOI groups in NYC and DC?
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interesting, okay. the folks I know who are in NOI in my city are about on par with moderate black southern baptists. They’re neutral on queerness and we volunteer at some of the same food kitchens.
The only negative talk I’ve heard from them is against white people, but it’s impossible to be racist against white people anyway so :vivian-shrug:
no idea about the Nation Of Islam’s behavior in other cities, but they’re not on my list of groups I’m worried about based on my experiences.
I know they scare the shit out of white supremacists, though, which is probably why that 4chan shooter had a picture of yakuba pinned up in his saw trap of an apartment.
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I don’t know the meme, but “we were kings” is a completely understandable framing of the African diaspora.
:fash-bash:
anyway yeah, I 100% would not allow my kids to have white dolls. People of color get enough white beauty standards every day.
You want to link to where you heard about that?
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wanting my kids to play with toys that look like them makes me a white lib mom lol ok
okay, so send that online NOI content over then. I’m not finding anything.
I don’t have much of an opinion on modern NOI aside from the followers I regularly volunteered with who have all been fine. I’m not a fan of Farrakhan, who is antisemitic. People frequently try to point to him as a way to equate white nationalism and black nationalism, which is cringe and inaccurate.
This thread is so good :chefs-kiss:
:billie-eilish-anarchist: thank you 🙏 it’s been fun to write between errands
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