• WhyEssEff [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    yeah okay let me see you getting equally expressedly mad at Jschlatt for his literally useless 200000$ purchase and then maybe I’ll engage with the point.

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      If you can't see the gaslighting it is your problem. I literally don't know who that person is but hey if people here post how that person is supposed to be a """""socialist""""" and is supposedly influencing people to the left then I'll be right there on that thread shitting on them too.

      • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        I literally don’t know who that person is

        yeah I wonder why people don’t know about a twitch streamer with an equivalent platform making an even more decadent and useless purchase. I wonder why comparatively Hasan’s purchases have garnered more attention. Surely this hyperfocus isn’t literally a known COINTELPRO tactic.

        • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          I see your point, but here is the thing.

          If Hasan isn't smart enough to understand that his actions will eventually lead to very easily exploitable rhetoric against his supposed views and stances then he is a shit influencer to begin with. You would be more productive by telling him "hey I know no ethnical consumption and all but can we please try to NOT make the fight harder for ourselves?"

          At some people either he doesn't see it as you do or he is rationalizing it as a victim therefore why change? If he understands like you do that he is being focused because of his platform then why sabotage yourself by repeating the same behavior over and over.

          If you must ask "why change" then this is gaslighting. Someone that is committed to a cause shouldn't have to ask themselves that question. I said right at the beginning realy after the millionaire house and the sports car I would have figured he would lay down for a while before going for a third swing on that shit.

          • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            At a certain point we have to acknowledge that the left has next to zero influence in the “mainstream” and realize we have to take what we can get. People with Hasan’s level of influence don’t just pop out of thin air. Yeah I think he’s a cringe consoomer but at the end of the day we seriously aren’t accomplishing anything by harping on the point. If he’s gone for the hat trick you kinda have to realize that Twitter pile-ons won’t change how he operates, so at a certain point we just have to take what we can get because we don’t have the influence to prop up another more principled person to the level of Hasan, so by tearing down his platform we’re only hurting ourselves. Bernie can fuck right off for Yugoslavia but I’ll still support him in his :yes-honey-left:ing through another campaign for the expressed means of pipelining people leftwards, of which I was one of.

            • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              If he’s gone for the hat trick you kinda have to realize that Twitter pile-ons won’t change how he operates, so at a certain point we just have to take what we can get because we don’t have the influence to prop up another more principled person to the level of Hasan, so by tearing down his platform we’re only hurting ourselves.

              I agree with this, but people are complaining here not on twitter, I don't condone wasting time trying to argue with him personally or on twitter either it is a waste of time.

              You may be right that his platform is doing good right "now" but the sad thing is he may well end up ruining that platform partially by himself. I don't see any harm in people understanding this and being critical of it.