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Nobody's saying you can't participate in society. Nobody's saying you can't buy a nice house. But flying in a private jet? An eleven hundred dollar shirt? This isn't participating in society, it's exulting in being a part of society that your own philosophy advocates for the elimination of.
this is a meme by his editor he did not go on a private jet to coachella
I love hexbear but people post made up bullshit on here every day just to start drama.
hexbear seems really susceptible to getting mad over fake stuff sometimes
Probably a side effect of wallowing in the absurdity of hellworld: if you know that reality is too absurd and on-the-nose to be real and yet is, jokes that are absurd and on-the-nose start looking realistic.
streamer drama is the most terminally online shit there is. at this point I refuse to engage any further with LSF type shit besides acknowledging the existence of it. It’s entirely unproductive and basically TMZ for redditors. But fuck it. I’m breaking that rule! This is literally a perfect example of how absolutely meaningless and detached it all is and I’m going to go in on it.
I wholeheartedly believe some people engaging with this would unironically get mad at :sankara-bass: for owning two bass guitars or Lenin for having a Rolls Royce. Not implying that Hasan is some fucking great socialist thinker here, but what the fuck does this accomplish? What difference does this make?
We’re literally doing the :very-intelligent: bit. Hyperfocusing on the purity of consumption is unhinged and detached from reality. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. The only argument that you could make that in any way is attached to the human condition is that he is actively and knowingly making the world a worse and more hostile place by his consumption choices, and it’s so fucking productive to hyperfocus on one of the closest to anti-imperialist comparatively mainstream voices rather than some fucking oil exec or tech ghoul who does worse or another fucking twitch streamer who does almost 1:1 equivalent. I swear to god some online socialists would be happier with this purchase if he didn’t openly advocate for something adjacent to their own ideology with his larger-than-normal platform! which is insane! underdog and purity fetishism degrading into self-sabotage and splintering in real time. just call the purchase cringe and move on, or own the fucking standards you apply to others and pull a henry david thoreau.
I truly do not understand why this always becomes such a major issue, and it’s happened one too many times for me to think it’s a coincidence of how it’s specifically and comparatively directed. Go get unreasonably and equally mad at, I dunno, fucking Jschlatt for literally using his platform to crowdfund twice the amount of money Hasan did for Ukraine relief to buy a statue of a monkey with gilded testicles, and then we can talk about streamer consumption choice in good faith.
I’m so tired of the spectacle it is absolutely unreal :debord-tired:
I literally don’t fucking care. Capitalism is a land of monsters. You’re choosing to hyperfocus on someone who’s doing better than others with a similar platform and similar choices. Go get equally expressedly mad at another influencer who bought the same shirt and then I’ll think this shit is in any way a good faith criticism.
The difference is that we don't have to point out that Logan Paul is, in fact, bad. But when those on the supposed left act in ghoulish ways, it's notable.
I mean, I don't really care either, but I guess I'm here shidding my doo doo pants over some dude whom I've never watched, so....
It’s self-sabotage is what it is. Unless they are actively espousing reactionary rhetoric under the guise of leftism, you take what you can fucking get. I think Hasan is a fucking lib half the time on his foreign policy takes but if he were gone then the most prominent left-claiming streamer would be Vaush, and that’s an entirely worse image problem for the left to have compared to Hasan’s. And at a certain point it just becomes an entirely exclusionary place where we just entirely reject the pipeline itself for the purity of the clique.
I suppose I don't need to remind you that V*ushposting is :haram:
The real answer is that nothing happens on fucking twitch, and we need to be organizing in out communities, but I really don't think it's unreasonable to criticize someone for taking a private jet to Coachella and calling themselves a socialist.
Yeah at the end of the day I’m critiquing the critique. The purchase is cringe. The amount of effort spent criticizing the purchase is insane and unproductive. There is so much that could have been done with just a fraction of the effort and time that some leftists spend getting really mad at Hasan. It just doesn’t accomplish anything.
Yes, having an outed pedophile cryptofash with an audience of actual neo-Nazis represent the left is going to cause an image problem.
:fedposting:
Edit: come on, your statement in isolation from this minute meaningless drama is unironically the most fed shit I’ve seen on this site.
Hasan is fucking cringe but that doesn’t mean you should be fucking sabotaging your fucking ideological pipeline! :matt-jokerfied: We’re so fucking useless tactically, holy shit! Do you ever wonder why the right doesn’t spend this much energy calling Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin slurs even though they express characteristics and sometimes views that are not in line with their own ideology? Do you ever wonder why the right is so fucking popular in America? The algorithm can only carry so much weight! YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PIPELINE!
I’m so tired. We’re never going to build socialism if we keep purity testing every single fucking person who claims to be a leftist. We’re either being COINTELPROd or we’re literally COINTELPROing ourselves. I can’t tell any more. Clique behavior. I’m going to bed, I cannot get into this shit anymore, this is too much effort to spend on something so minute as streamer drama, but god fucking damn.
There's been some genuine :cia: activities within left circles. Couldn't tell you the extent of it because it's impossible to know for sure, but there have been enough instances of prominent 'left' figures working for the state that I feel comfortable in saying they're at least in the periphery.
Priveleged westerners have the most fried of brains, you'll never get that across on here, the brainworms are too strong, even on hexbear
I agree with you on all of the stuff you've posted. sorry you gotta deal with the cringe purity replies
you didn't even look into it. this is from years ago when he was broke like all of us. it's controversy bait first of all. and then secondly, I literally do not give a singular ounce of a shit what people do with their money, the issue with capitalism is not doing dumb stuff is bad but that a class system of owners and workers is unequal and mathematically built to implode cyclically. idc if it's a bad look or w/e, leftists will never get a good look even if we act like monks, so fuck it who cares
Western brain in full force lol.
I've never even been on an airplane lol. Then we have people here acting like flying on private jets is normal.
De-growth is really going to fuck these peoples conceptions of "normal" up.
Twitch streamers aren't a pipeline log off and actually talk to people come on.
Online doesn't really matter. The right is popular online in America because they're the cultural default and popular everywhere.
This is the exact same shit as saying Ben Shapiro isn’t a pipeline. We live in a digital world and we need digital infrastructure. Not everything is solved by a nebulous “touching grass”.
I feel like people say this to just excuse the fact that we’ve allowed the alt-right to use the internet to a major radicalization advantage. Almost every modern Nazi got there through 4chan. Online matters less but online still matters.
he didnt even actually take a private jet, youre mad over bait
There's a difference between being forced to live under capitalism, and flying in a climate-destroying private jet.
There's a difference between publicly advocating for socialism, and purchasing a $1,100 shirt that was made with slave labor.
Practice what you preach. Otherwise nobody will take you seriously.
I literally don’t fucking care. Capitalism is a land of monsters. You’re choosing to hyperfocus on someone who’s doing better than others with a similar platform and similar choices. Go get equally expressedly mad at another influencer who bought the same shirt and then I’ll think this shit is in any way a good faith criticism.
Who else can afford a $1,100 shirt?
Or a private jet, jesus. The price makes flying first class look like a bus ticket.
A better use of that money would be to distribute it to those who need it, quietly and with no fanfare.
The price makes flying first class look like a bus ticket.
There appears to be at least 5 people in that jet and they're flying from LA to Coachella which is like a 2 hour drive lmao... even if you could find a first class ticket to coachella from LA i am willing to bet this would actually be cheaper.
Well I'm glad someone here has stepped in to defend the interests of people who can afford $1,100 Gucci shirts, comrade!
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i mean you seemed to care how much it cost in your previous post so idk what you want me to say
even if you could find a first class ticket to coachella from LA i am willing to bet this would actually be cheaper.
So exactly, get a fucking van.
Hyperfocusing on the purity of consumption is unhinged and detached from reality. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
The millionaire house was questionable, the sports car war gaslighting, the private jet and rich clothing is just shitting on the face.
But hey some people have their own fetishes so...
yeah okay let me see you getting equally expressedly mad at Jschlatt for his literally useless 200000$ purchase and then maybe I’ll engage with the point.
If you can't see the gaslighting it is your problem. I literally don't know who that person is but hey if people here post how that person is supposed to be a """""socialist""""" and is supposedly influencing people to the left then I'll be right there on that thread shitting on them too.
I literally don’t know who that person is
yeah I wonder why people don’t know about a twitch streamer with an equivalent platform making an even more decadent and useless purchase. I wonder why comparatively Hasan’s purchases have garnered more attention. Surely this hyperfocus isn’t literally a known COINTELPRO tactic.
wow I wonder why socialists constantly are spending more effort tearing their own pipeline down than pipelining others leftwards. cannot possibly be an operation
I see your point, but here is the thing.
If Hasan isn't smart enough to understand that his actions will eventually lead to very easily exploitable rhetoric against his supposed views and stances then he is a shit influencer to begin with. You would be more productive by telling him "hey I know no ethnical consumption and all but can we please try to NOT make the fight harder for ourselves?"
At some people either he doesn't see it as you do or he is rationalizing it as a victim therefore why change? If he understands like you do that he is being focused because of his platform then why sabotage yourself by repeating the same behavior over and over.
If you must ask "why change" then this is gaslighting. Someone that is committed to a cause shouldn't have to ask themselves that question. I said right at the beginning realy after the millionaire house and the sports car I would have figured he would lay down for a while before going for a third swing on that shit.
At a certain point we have to acknowledge that the left has next to zero influence in the “mainstream” and realize we have to take what we can get. People with Hasan’s level of influence don’t just pop out of thin air. Yeah I think he’s a cringe consoomer but at the end of the day we seriously aren’t accomplishing anything by harping on the point. If he’s gone for the hat trick you kinda have to realize that Twitter pile-ons won’t change how he operates, so at a certain point we just have to take what we can get because we don’t have the influence to prop up another more principled person to the level of Hasan, so by tearing down his platform we’re only hurting ourselves. Bernie can fuck right off for Yugoslavia but I’ll still support him in his :yes-honey-left:ing through another campaign for the expressed means of pipelining people leftwards, of which I was one of.
If he’s gone for the hat trick you kinda have to realize that Twitter pile-ons won’t change how he operates, so at a certain point we just have to take what we can get because we don’t have the influence to prop up another more principled person to the level of Hasan, so by tearing down his platform we’re only hurting ourselves.
I agree with this, but people are complaining here not on twitter, I don't condone wasting time trying to argue with him personally or on twitter either it is a waste of time.
You may be right that his platform is doing good right "now" but the sad thing is he may well end up ruining that platform partially by himself. I don't see any harm in people understanding this and being critical of it.
I agree and also if some streamer getting rich and buying stupid stuff is our biggest problem... then our biggest problem is actually the fact that this could be our biggest problem. It means we're weak and lacking organizations + leadership of our own so we have to cling to people that owe us nothing and don't organize.
I think this is fairly descriptive of the online left. We need to push to irl organizing and recognize that hoping a streamer doesn't "embarrass us" is not very different from the complete lack of agency and power in voting for some lib and hoping they can be pushed left by signing a petition.
try idolizing someone making real change like Kamala Harris.
:michael-laugh:
>media person
>23 upbears
>103 comments
Please Hexbear. I'm begging you.
I reiterate this dude is a fucking lib and his defenders all have cum brain.
Also had no idea Cenk Uygur is his fucking uncle lol.
That's how he got famous in the first place. Nepotism.
Most of these famous/successful people, if you look into their backgrounds, have a relative who got them an "in". Carrie Fisher who played Princess Leia? She was Debbie Reynolds' daughter. Yeah.
I literally dont care about the zoomer version of the spectacle.
Could anybody give a tl;dr rundown of what "The Spectacle" is in 5th grade language? Unironically though Im too lazy to attempt comprehending the wikipedia article summary. Is it like the "Circuses" part of "Bread and Circuses" that the elite use as a psychological weapon to distract/placate the masses?
I own Society of the Spectacle and I have no idea what's going on in that fucking book lol
I'm an old.
Who's Hasan Piker?
Did he have fun at The Coachellas?
I hope he wore ear protection.
Top twitch streamer. Does twitter take reactions to an audience of 10,000s live viewers at a time. Talking head for millennials and zoomers.
ur a moron this is his editor, the jet pic is from like 6 years ago when he was making 21k a year lmao
everybody has had their takes about Hasan in this tread, and I've nothing new to add either way. so I'm just gonna post he's kinda hot
