If you called a man at birth and aren't disphoric about it, there's pretty compelling reasons to never even think about questioning it. Same is true if you're mainly attracted to the opposite sex, just never really question the outliers, not worth the hassle.
Or if you think a famous person is hot who is not the opposite, but not actually CARE about that fact, as you probably will never meet them, or attraction to someone who is non-binary.
I think as more non-traditional hot people gain greater visibility, the masses will also move along the kinsey scale.
I don't think I know how feelings for non-binary people goes. Like, if someone looks traditionally feminine and I find them attractive but they don't identify as a woman I don't really see that as not being straight.
Yeah it’s kind of the flip side of how straight guys will get fragile about being “gay” because they’re attracted to a trans woman. Their initial attraction is to the correct gender and then they put the wrong label on it because of whatever insecurities they have. Being attracted to an enby who identifies more masculine, but having that attraction be to perceived femininity is the opposite. Wrong gender, correct label.
And also gender is more complicated than a single spectrum. The more I dig the more gender seems like a series of islands with convoluted trade agreements.
Yeah that's a good point. Like there's a whole range of combination of non-binary identifications and presentations and sex traits I might find individually attractive(like a trans masc person with discernable breasts. I might like their chest but not be attracted to them) on a sliding scale, but it's ultimately body types that would be considered female and more feminine gender identities I consider attractive, so if I dated someone non-binary but trans fem with a feminine body type I'd probably just count that as spicy straight. IDK for sure though burn thag bridge if and when I get to it.
Yeah I think the point the important thing is you’re both on the same page about both the gendered attraction and the label. And ideally that’s something you can just kinda discuss and work out. I find that just knowing how someone identifies changes how I perceive them and am potentially attracted to them. But I also only experienced sexual attraction once before transitioning, so the whole attraction to individual body parts thing is a little foreign to me and a lot of this is more about romantic attraction. So idk
right, we're not primed to examine ourselves like that and if you fit in there's no pressure to do so either. Doesn't mean I experienced gender before I realized that I don't experience gender. So I wonder about other peoples' unexamined internal being.
Same is true if you’re mainly attracted to the opposite sex, just never really question the outliers
IME, this is incredibly true. Most of the people I had crushes on when I was young were girls, but then I'd be reading a book and there'd be a very erotic scene between two men and I'd be very intrigued and then the next day at school I'd be daydreaming about some girl, and to me this just felt like normal straight boy before. A decade+ later it's obvious to me that primarily attracted to the opposite sex is in fact different from only attracted to the opposite sex. If I were a youth today would I recognize that already? I think maybe, some of it is introspection but a lot is a increased level of dialogue and understanding about these topics.
If you called a man at birth and aren't disphoric about it, there's pretty compelling reasons to never even think about questioning it. Same is true if you're mainly attracted to the opposite sex, just never really question the outliers, not worth the hassle.
Or if you think a famous person is hot who is not the opposite, but not actually CARE about that fact, as you probably will never meet them, or attraction to someone who is non-binary.
I think as more non-traditional hot people gain greater visibility, the masses will also move along the kinsey scale.
I don't think I know how feelings for non-binary people goes. Like, if someone looks traditionally feminine and I find them attractive but they don't identify as a woman I don't really see that as not being straight.
Yeah it’s kind of the flip side of how straight guys will get fragile about being “gay” because they’re attracted to a trans woman. Their initial attraction is to the correct gender and then they put the wrong label on it because of whatever insecurities they have. Being attracted to an enby who identifies more masculine, but having that attraction be to perceived femininity is the opposite. Wrong gender, correct label.
And also gender is more complicated than a single spectrum. The more I dig the more gender seems like a series of islands with convoluted trade agreements.
Yeah that's a good point. Like there's a whole range of combination of non-binary identifications and presentations and sex traits I might find individually attractive(like a trans masc person with discernable breasts. I might like their chest but not be attracted to them) on a sliding scale, but it's ultimately body types that would be considered female and more feminine gender identities I consider attractive, so if I dated someone non-binary but trans fem with a feminine body type I'd probably just count that as spicy straight. IDK for sure though burn thag bridge if and when I get to it.
Yeah I think the point the important thing is you’re both on the same page about both the gendered attraction and the label. And ideally that’s something you can just kinda discuss and work out. I find that just knowing how someone identifies changes how I perceive them and am potentially attracted to them. But I also only experienced sexual attraction once before transitioning, so the whole attraction to individual body parts thing is a little foreign to me and a lot of this is more about romantic attraction. So idk
But they aren’t a woman. But they are hot. So what are the features that are hot?
Then there is also the “I’d fuck X but would not romance/ltr that gender.”
Basically it’s a messy spectrum and always has been but awareness is increasing.
right, we're not primed to examine ourselves like that and if you fit in there's no pressure to do so either. Doesn't mean I experienced gender before I realized that I don't experience gender. So I wonder about other peoples' unexamined internal being.
IME, this is incredibly true. Most of the people I had crushes on when I was young were girls, but then I'd be reading a book and there'd be a very erotic scene between two men and I'd be very intrigued and then the next day at school I'd be daydreaming about some girl, and to me this just felt like normal straight boy before. A decade+ later it's obvious to me that primarily attracted to the opposite sex is in fact different from only attracted to the opposite sex. If I were a youth today would I recognize that already? I think maybe, some of it is introspection but a lot is a increased level of dialogue and understanding about these topics.