:debatebro-l: "Billionaires innovate and advance human evolution for humans! Kindly point out one time le politician has ever done anything for humans."

"Can you name one time that a police officer was objectively proven to have planted evidence on a suspect?" :debatebro-r:

:debatebro-l: "Name one example of socialism actually helping people."

"(transphobic slur here) aren't being targeted for hate crimes. Show me one time that a (transphobic slur here) was killed because they were (transphobic slur here) and not for a different reason." :debatebro-r:

:so-true: :so-true: "So logical and rationally debated!" :so-true: :so-true:

Like herpes, sea lioning hasn't went anywhere. I've tried providing evidence, examples, but no matter what, when sea lioning happens, those links have "an agenda" or "bias" or "a narrative" whatever the fuck that means. This is the tactic that Sarte warned about: cryptofascists don't actually care about the integrity or consistency of their arguments, only sophistry to make yours seem untenable.

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
    ·
    2 years ago

    OP, could you give any examples of so called "sea lioning" continuing to exist in 2022?

  • boffa [ey/em,e/em/eir]
    ·
    2 years ago

    oh so you claim black lives matter? Name every black person

    easily names every black person

    I bet you don't even have all the black friends

    becomes the friend of every black person

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
      hexagon
      ·
      2 years ago

      :debatebro-l: Kindly give me examples of successfully riling up cryptofascist debate nerds. I'll wait. :debatebro-r:

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
          hexagon
          ·
          2 years ago

          For real I really would like to know what works besides "shut up, nerd."

          • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
            ·
            2 years ago

            normally just variations of that

            or lead them on for ages and drop it on them for more effect

            or sealion them yourself

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
              hexagon
              ·
              2 years ago

              or sealion them yourself

              This works.

              A bazinga brain recently demanded I provide one OBJECTIVE example of :my-hero: abusing his workers using sources "without an agenda or bias."

              I then counter-demanded that he provide one OBJECTIVE example of :my-hero: actually inventing anything.

              He went full :frothingfash: and offered me a "free helicopter ride" out of nowhere. Scratched :LIB:

              • anaesidemus [he/him]
                ·
                2 years ago

                offers of helicopter rides can be countered by offers of cave explorations :pit:

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
                  hexagon
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  2 years ago

                  :pit: :stalin-gun-2: :yes-hahaha-yes-l:

                  • MaeBorowski [she/her]
                    ·
                    2 years ago

                    It's framed as the eeeeeevil gommunism of course, rather than a mass execution of nazis, but...

                    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Pit_massacre

            • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
              ·
              edit-2
              2 years ago

              How i defeated fascism with the power of debate

              Chapter 1: The Power of Debate
              The first step in my journey was realizing that it is impossible to defeat fascism with the power of debate.

              Chapter 2: The Power of Extreme Violence

          • Aryuproudomenowdaddy [comrade/them]
            ·
            2 years ago

            I find people that are already writing multi paragrqph responses and ply them with simple questions just to see how long their patience lasts.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
      hexagon
      ·
      2 years ago

      They always activate their trump (pun intended :a-little-trolling: ) card there: "That source is biased/has an agenda/has a narrative" whatever the fuck that means.

      • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
        ·
        2 years ago

        whatever the fuck that means.

        it means "accepting this as fact makes me question my worldview so it's clearly wrong"

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        edit-2
        2 years ago

        :PIGPOOPBALLS: is a better card.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
          hexagon
          ·
          2 years ago

          Why not post hog? Well, besides :volcel-judge: violations.

  • DJMSilver [he/him]
    ·
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    the only way you can do respond is by deconstructing the opponent's terms and framing of debate. you can never convince them of evidence sicne their minds were already made up without evidence to begin with. they arent even willing to porivde their own evidence of what they believe. it's like how anyone can lie as much as possible while trying to refute them takes so much more considerable effort, it just becomes maddening and a waste of time.