He just wanted to get rid of people without paying them their contracted severance. Weasel fuck.

  • Slaanesh [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    I may not be a tesla fanboy.... but something is in the air.

    Laying off 10% of staff a month after opening the "biggest" car factory on the planet. Still no cyber truck, and now a direct competitor has made the electric truck at an ICE price point, which they will not be able to directly compete with (who is now cutting dealers out where they can, and taking direct online orders). Model 3/y being challenged by Hyundai, Volvo and Ford (mach E is kinda cheap yall). Model X and S challenged by.... everyone and you'd have to be a fanboy to shell out 100k+ for a piss poor QAed tesla over a BMW/Porche/Audi.

    Even their Powerwalls are not shipping. Their only large scale battery purchase was Australia, and their solar tile roofs is just dead at this point with competitors beating them to it again.

    Also let's not forget him yoinking 8.5 billies in stocks to totally buy twitter.

    Not to mention starship being fairly behind schedule. Fingers crossed the coming collapse takes him.

      • DinosaurThussy [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        I’ve been saying for a long time that the Soviets had some secret material science/metallurgy technique that the West is lagging far behind

        There’s an interesting Jonathan Blow talk where he talks about how technology has been forgotten throughout history. And he happens to talk about Elon Musk for a while and how a lot of the specifics of the engineering of space travel were lost after the end of the space race. Not that the information wasn’t available, but assembling people who were familiar enough with the info to act on it were scarce.

        • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          That's a very interesting theory and it makes a lot of sense to me. The old space-race era NASA engineers are all dead or mostly dead, I'm not going to look it up. But they had a wealth of knowledge that went beyond the things they created. I got this theory about how knowledge works and how you might know 100% you only use like 20%-50% to develop the applicable technology. Other people then become familiar with replicating and maintaining the technology but that is not the same as creating. All the knowledge they had that wasn't directly applied died with them, or isn't understood with the same familiarity they had, like those old rocket engineers at JPL watching the stress tests etc.

          Part of the theory is also about what I have come to call "bridge zones" or "transmission states" where you graduate out of one technology (say, prop plane design) and move onto the next (jet plane design) and so you have this incumbent wealth of knowledge that doesn't really tell you what to do but it definitely tells you what doesn't apply anymore. It's a sort of foundational knowledge that gets lost as the new technology supplants the old.

          To use a clumsy example: human beings are the greatest survivalists on the planet. We migrated across continents and all environments. We are not innately capable of doing that. We learned and taught subsequent generations. We still teach wilderness survival to soldiers etc because it's not a trait, its learned behavior. The ones who discovered how to do this probably had more in their heads that wasn't applicable at the time but it might have been applicable later. Nikola Tesla developed the rotorless induction motor but it wasn't possible at the time because we did not possess the alloys capable of creating it. Later on the design was proven successful.

          • the_minority_retort [he/him, any]
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            3 years ago

            Yeah. Less abstractly, engineers are disincentivized from documenting what they build in non-unionized workplaces, because it gives them a tech moat which is a hedge against being fired.

            They can’t fire you today if the system will break tomorrow and you haven’t written down how to fix it.

            Or, well , they can and will, but absent class organizing this is the shit people resort to.

            Yet another absurd counterproductive trait of capitalist hierarchy.

            • D61 [any]
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              3 years ago

              Hot Take: Anybody that enjoys making things also hates writing the documentation about how they made the things.

          • rubpoll [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            This is why droids in Star Wars have imperfect aim: because all droid programming modules are built on centuries of ancient code that nobody knows how to write in anymore. All droid programming is tweaks on jury-rigs on hacks on slapdash upgrades on upgrades on upgrades. Nobody knows how to write a droid's brain from scratch anymore. Star Wars, incidentally, takes place in a galaxy ravaged by capitalism.

            Similar theme in Cloudpunk.

          • spectre [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            The old space-race era NASA engineers are all dead or mostly dead, I’m not going to look it up. But they had a wealth of knowledge that went beyond the things they created.

            This is obviously a significant factor, but even if they're all healthy enough to "document" everything they know somehow, only a fraction of that is going to be usefully passed down. There needs to be an institution where all the smart folks get together and work on these complex and difficult problems, and continue to refine their solutions.... something like a well-funded space travel and exploration project....

            SpaceX is kinda this, I've heard from an acquaintance that one of the solid things about working there is that it's filled with plenty of sharp minds that want to "do rockets", but like you're saying there's a huge portion of getting back to where we used to be that bogs things down. There needs to be some sort of continuity

            • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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              3 years ago

              How much long-term engineering talent is even in SpaceX? The company's notorious for taking tons of fresh graduates and burning them out completely in a year or two leading to constant turnover.

              • spectre [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                I can't answer your question, but the retention issue is definitely a significant issue. At the same time, the person I know has been there almost 5 years now, so some people stick with it.

          • bigboopballs [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            We still teach wilderness survival to soldiers etc because it’s not a trait, its learned behavior.

            how do I learn wilderness survival without joining the dang army?

            • D61 [any]
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              3 years ago

              Can't tell if sarcasm or not, so...

              1. Spend money and go to a wilderness survival camp.

              2. Buy, steal, find online military survival manuals (US Army Survival FM 21-76 manual is available in full as a PDF online. There should be a survival manual for US Pilots for when they fall from the sky that should be pretty solid but I've never taken the time to find one). If you're not in the US, I don't see why other countries wouldn't have something similar available tailored to their local environments/language/culture). Survival manuals marketed for civilians but try to never pay full price, always look for discounted/free, civilian ones typically have the most instances of nonsensical explanations and incorrect diagrams/descriptions - this can be amusing but also dangerous. Skim through them well before trying to do any of the things, check out videos online to get an idea of "how" the task might look, then make some time to go out and attempt the task. Be prepared to spend a lot of time practicing. Never put yourself into a "survival situation" alone to do any dangerous task before you already are comfortable confident you can complete the task in a non-survival setting. Electronic copies are great for when you need things to do when bored and to figure out which manuals you can find that are reliable, but make an effort to get a few physical copies of manuals that you feel are the most reliable with one going with you for field training and one that stays safe back home. NOTE: Its rarely a good idea to need to learn something when you need to know it. Much better to learn about how to apply a tourniquet well before meeting a casualty that is bleeding out than it is to try to learn right then what to do.

              3. Get lucky and have a friend/family member/acquaintance who is into this stuff and already gone through the two things mentioned above and see if they can be an in person instructor. Somebody who can 1) watch what you're doing and critique your technique and 2) go through the troubleshooting parts of failing at a task that pretty much NO survival manual takes the time to go in to.

            • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              lmao, thanks I needed that, I wasn't really considering those guys but I'm glad you brought that up because yes, the goddamned nazis were involved in NASA's foundation and it needs to be remembered.

          • D61 [any]
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            3 years ago

            There is a world of difference between the blueprints/written instructions and then trying to follow them in the physical world.

          • DinosaurThussy [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            The relevant example from the talk I mentioned was electrical engineers making microchips. The newest generation of chips at a specific company (maybe Texas Instruments?) was consistently giving wrong answers and when confronted, they basically said, “yeah all the old guys retired so now these fresh kids out of grad school don’t know all the little pitfalls that come with avoiding interference and heat buildup”

      • JuneFall [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        The soviets created the first transistor and they don't get credit for it. Cause it was top secret and therefore not used to kick off a computer revolution. There are some things that the soviets were good at, pumping a huge amount of money, skill and facilities into scientists and esp. physicists for one.

    • Omegamint [comrade/them, doe/deer]
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      3 years ago

      It was a matter of time before big car manufacturers caught up, and yeah you'd much rather be dealing with maintenance and overall car trouble with just about anything other than a Tesla. Hope it crashes and burns but honestly Tesla is like the stupid stock of this markets generation, it'll probably mean a lot of other bad things for the "economy"

      • learn3code [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        People have been saying the big car companies will catch up ez for about a decade now. They do finally have some nice working designs and actual cars on the road, but their shipment numbers are still pretty abysmal. From what I can tell the battery supply chain is strangling them and it'll take years to work out. An extreme example for sure, but GM apparently only shipped 26 (!) EVs in Q4 2021 because all the other batteries were going to fulfill their Bolt recall.

    • CyberSyndicalist [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      direct competitor has made the electric truck at an ICE price point

      Which truck is that? Also what is an ICE price point?