Certainly long before the Louisiana purchase, and other westward expansion. Russia is less of a prison of nations that the US is.

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      It is. The first mention of the word “race” in any language was in the 16th century. Racialism is a system of human taxonomy that was invented post-enlightenment.

      Of course there was bigotry, xenophobia and ethnic persecution before that. Racism is a specific thing though, and it was invented at the advent of capitalism

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        2 years ago

        The first mention of the word “race” in any language was in the 16th century

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        • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Let me know how you figure people were discriminating by race before the concept of discrete color-based races was even invented. Putting people into boxes that hadn’t yet been defined or imagined.

            • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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              2 years ago

              The concept of racism predates racial categorization? Since race is a social construct (no discrete biological or genetic categories) how is that possible? Society had to construct it first before using it as a tool.

              Are you confusing xenophobia, bigotry, tribalism and ethnic persecution with racism? They are not the same thing, racism is a subset of the others and a new invention of modernity and the scientific community of the developing capitalist states

    • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Prior to "race" as a concept being invented to justify colonial atrocities, xenophobic discourse hinged on things like religion, diet, and climate rather than blood. Like before they got the idea to start measuring skulls and whatnot they thought that warm climates and flavorful food would make people "base and bestial" (I'll add that this is a weirdly persistent reactionary idea that you still see popping up today by people who cram handfuls of raw, unseasoned ground meat down their gullet as a performative display of purity and masculinity) and before that it was purely religious ideas about all non-christians being little more than demons in human skin or the like.

      Racism developed after the conversion of indigenous peoples to christianity, as Europeans needed a new excuse for why they were continuing to enslave and slaughter them as the religious subjugation and conversion arguments they'd relied on stopped being useful.