pretty sure the finns were allied with the nazis against the USSR in the continuation war, and provided intelligence to the nazis that they gathered from the winter war
It's also worth noting where the use of the swastika by the nazis came from in the first place. Nazism didn't pop into form in Germany out of thin air, the ideology was fermented all over Europe for a long ass time. Finnish royals/nobility were part of that fermentation and the symbol became popular among nationalists through many ultranationalist meetings and collaborations over decades. Finland's use of it officially before the nazis does not absolve them of its historic tie to those movements.
It literally was used because Von Rosen was a rune obsessed fascist. also brother-in-law to Goring, who even made note of the swastikas in Rosen's home in 1920. Rosen joined the Finnish nazi party for fucks sake. On top of that he, a future nazi, who would be family with Goring in 2 years, and was an ethnographer and aristocrat just happened to be using the swastika as the roundel for planes he gifted to ultra-nationalist antisemitic Finland in 1918, WELL after the swastika was being used as a symbol of Volkism and Ariosophy
Germanenorden was a similar secret society with the same fucking ideals who monitored Jews, they adopted it in 1916, and the Order of the New Templars which followed Ariosophy used it in this context on their flag, I cannot find a date for their first usage, but they started it 1907. All of these groups knew each other, and had really close ties to Germanic and Nordic royals.
The man was advertised as a speaker at nazi events using the symbol. Like a guy who LOVED runes and LOVED Ariosophy just happened to use a swastika with no relation between those two interests of his?
you think i don’t know about the continuation war?
i don't know what you do or don't know. I just know you didn't bring it up in your now-deleted comment. Wish I had quoted it so the context that started this conversation was still there.
And if only there was some reason they helped the nazis.
There's never a justifiable reason to help the nazis. This is the same bullshit people use to excuse the Banderites of West Ukraine.
They didn't just "help the nazis" as some kind of pragmatic anti-Soviet move, they actively joined SS regiments and participated in pogroms and atrocities, just like the Banderites did in Ukraine. What was the whole reason the USSR invaded Finland in the Winter War anyway? Oh, that's right, they were going around to everyone in Europe throughout the 30s, trying to form anti-fascist alliances, and wouldn't you know, all the states outside of the USSR rejected that because they hated communism more than they hated fascism. Stalin simply wanted to cut off the corridor that the nazis would eventually use in operation barbarossa, and the Finnish wouldn't allow it .The Soviet Union needed strategic security from the German fascists. They were negotiating to rent some small pieces of land to be able to close the Gulf of Finland to enemy naval forces in the event of war (to protect Leningrad, one of the most important cities in the USSR). The Soviets also needed the border near Leningrad itself to be moved outside of the artillery range. In exchange for a total of 2700km² the Soviets offered 5500km². A good deal, but not good enough for the fascist sympathizer government of Finland, of course, who refused and took a hostile stance against the Soviet Union. Eventually there was a build up of troops at the border near Leningrad and shells were fired into Soviet territory. This led to a costly war that the Soviets eventually won and in peace demanded essentially what they had asked for before the war.
Yes the winter war was fucked but it doesn't excuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Karelian_concentration_camps
East Karelian concentration camps were a set of concentration camps operated by the Finnish government in the areas of the Soviet Union occupied by the Finnish military administration during the Continuation War. These camps were organized by the armed forces supreme commander Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim.[1] The camps were intended to hold camp detainees for future exchange with the Finnic population from the rest of Russia. The mortality rate of civilians in the camps was high due to famine and disease: by some estimates, 4279 civilians died in these camps, meaning a rough mortality rate of 17%.[2]
Guy who the Finnish air force adopted it from was brother in law of Hermann Göring,
you know the famous Nazi. So his use predated the Nazi used of the Swastika, but probably arose from the same racist milieu
I mean i have also seen that it's used on folk art in finland and shit. Or that could be the fylfot, which technically isn't a swastika. In the specific case of the air force, you are correct.
"folk" if only there was a Germanic word from the same root and purpose as folk, but one that was specifically associated with the swastika firmly by that point in 1918, a word and with connotations that an ethnographer like Rosen would surely understand
Like saying the swastika is also used in volk I mean Folk art in Finland is the point, it ties back to the Ariosophism that kicked these vile POSs off in the first place. It's just funny to specifically say "folk" when that is precisely the core of Nazism and its ties to the symbol
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pretty sure the finns were allied with the nazis against the USSR in the continuation war, and provided intelligence to the nazis that they gathered from the winter war
pretty sure the finnish government has a long history of anti-communism and anti-semitism
do research before accusing the whole site of shit challenge IMPOSSIBLE
It's also worth noting where the use of the swastika by the nazis came from in the first place. Nazism didn't pop into form in Germany out of thin air, the ideology was fermented all over Europe for a long ass time. Finnish royals/nobility were part of that fermentation and the symbol became popular among nationalists through many ultranationalist meetings and collaborations over decades. Finland's use of it officially before the nazis does not absolve them of its historic tie to those movements.
It literally was used because Von Rosen was a rune obsessed fascist. also brother-in-law to Goring, who even made note of the swastikas in Rosen's home in 1920. Rosen joined the Finnish nazi party for fucks sake. On top of that he, a future nazi, who would be family with Goring in 2 years, and was an ethnographer and aristocrat just happened to be using the swastika as the roundel for planes he gifted to ultra-nationalist antisemitic Finland in 1918, WELL after the swastika was being used as a symbol of Volkism and Ariosophy
Germanenorden was a similar secret society with the same fucking ideals who monitored Jews, they adopted it in 1916, and the Order of the New Templars which followed Ariosophy used it in this context on their flag, I cannot find a date for their first usage, but they started it 1907. All of these groups knew each other, and had really close ties to Germanic and Nordic royals.
The man was advertised as a speaker at nazi events using the symbol. Like a guy who LOVED runes and LOVED Ariosophy just happened to use a swastika with no relation between those two interests of his?
you think i don't know about the continuation war? And if only there was some reason they helped the nazis.
i don't know what you do or don't know. I just know you didn't bring it up in your now-deleted comment. Wish I had quoted it so the context that started this conversation was still there.
There's never a justifiable reason to help the nazis. This is the same bullshit people use to excuse the Banderites of West Ukraine.
They didn't just "help the nazis" as some kind of pragmatic anti-Soviet move, they actively joined SS regiments and participated in pogroms and atrocities, just like the Banderites did in Ukraine. What was the whole reason the USSR invaded Finland in the Winter War anyway? Oh, that's right, they were going around to everyone in Europe throughout the 30s, trying to form anti-fascist alliances, and wouldn't you know, all the states outside of the USSR rejected that because they hated communism more than they hated fascism. Stalin simply wanted to cut off the corridor that the nazis would eventually use in operation barbarossa, and the Finnish wouldn't allow it .The Soviet Union needed strategic security from the German fascists. They were negotiating to rent some small pieces of land to be able to close the Gulf of Finland to enemy naval forces in the event of war (to protect Leningrad, one of the most important cities in the USSR). The Soviets also needed the border near Leningrad itself to be moved outside of the artillery range. In exchange for a total of 2700km² the Soviets offered 5500km². A good deal, but not good enough for the fascist sympathizer government of Finland, of course, who refused and took a hostile stance against the Soviet Union. Eventually there was a build up of troops at the border near Leningrad and shells were fired into Soviet territory. This led to a costly war that the Soviets eventually won and in peace demanded essentially what they had asked for before the war.
I deleted my comment because i didn't feel like getting in an argument.
That's certainly understandable.
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Absolutely love how checking the source on this leads to a dead link, Wikipedia really showing their standards of qualíty again.
Yes the winter war was fucked but it doesn't excuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Karelian_concentration_camps
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Guy who the Finnish air force adopted it from was brother in law of Hermann Göring, you know the famous Nazi. So his use predated the Nazi used of the Swastika, but probably arose from the same racist milieu
I mean i have also seen that it's used on folk art in finland and shit. Or that could be the fylfot, which technically isn't a swastika. In the specific case of the air force, you are correct.
"folk" if only there was a Germanic word from the same root and purpose as folk, but one that was specifically associated with the swastika firmly by that point in 1918, a word and with connotations that an ethnographer like Rosen would surely understand
Like saying the swastika is also used in volk I mean Folk art in Finland is the point, it ties back to the Ariosophism that kicked these vile POSs off in the first place. It's just funny to specifically say "folk" when that is precisely the core of Nazism and its ties to the symbol
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