• UlyssesT [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    You hate Twilight because chick lit bad.

    I hate Twilight because I hate edgy cliched isekai fantasies about yandere monsters fighting over bland ego-insert senpai with unconditional over the top infatuation to the point of literally trying to kill each other.

    We are not the same. :gigachad:

      • Soap_Owl [any]
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        2 years ago

        She moved from Arizona to Portland. Close enough

      • GundamZZ [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        It's like reverse-isekai where the supernatural world/characters/powers are brought to the character.

        • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          That's just the genre of urban fantasy

          you can't just call any fiction you don't like Isekai. It's not even a bad setup for a genre it's just used as a basis for power fantasy by men with weird ideas about relationships and women a lot.

          for an example of why it's not a genre issue Narnia is technically an Isekai by the proper rules of the genre.

          • GundamZZ [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Narnia is an isekai. Star Wars is isekai. Iron Man is isekai. Mass delusion under treat-hypnosis is inherently isekai-istic. Sorry to spoil your 'fun.'

            • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Isn't an isekai a story where the protagonist goes from our world to a new magical one. An example would include Celtic stories of the fairy realm.

              also you seem to be condeming storytelling in general as a symptom of capitalism when all evidence points to storytelling being an older aspect of society than agriculture. People have been telling each other stories since the invention of fire

                • Kuori [she/her]
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                  2 years ago

                  Would it be Isekai if it began with her entering a portal to a parallel universe?

                  yeah 100%

                  but all that happens in twilight is that the masquerade slips, which places it much more comfortably in urban fantasy

                    • Kuori [she/her]
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                      2 years ago

                      i guess i differentiate between isekai and real-world-but-magical since the former usually involves going elsewhere and the latter involves an unveiling of something that has always existed but in "the real world"

                      but i agree that strict genre definitions are silly and i don't really think it's worth putting much thought into

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I don't hate isekai itself. In fact some of my favorite old stories are technically isekai in the broader sense (The Neverending Story comes to mind).

          I hate the creative/metagame rut it's in, where it's so cynical and pandering that modern isekai often acknowledges how copy of a copy it is becoming in its own premise. "Oh wow I died and am in fantasy world just like in my isekais, time to have fanservice moments with obedient fawning dubiously aged waifus that are obsessed over my mediocrity to the point of fighting over it!" :so-true:

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        It has all the hallmarks of it, including the supernatural, but in a way it's lazier because it's brought to the bland ego-insert's doorstep.

    • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Ok, but like yeah that's exactly what I hate about that shit, it indulges in deifying all of anglo society's worst demons.