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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can, thank you.


Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ Gleb Bazov, banned from Twitter, referenced pretty heavily in what remains of pro-Russian Twitter.

https://t.me/asbmil ~ ASB Military News, banned from Twitter.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday Patrick Lancaster - crowd-funded U.S journalist, mostly pro-Russian, works on the ground near warzones to report news and talk to locals.

https://t.me/riafan_everywhere ~ Think it's a government news org or Federal News Agency? Russian language.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ Front news coverage. Russian langauge.

https://t.me/rybar ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

With the entire western media sphere being overwhelming pro-Ukraine already, you shouldn't really need more, but:

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Yesterday's discussion post.


  • comi [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    I would not say they aren’t there, I’m just thinking it’s all imperialism in the end, with some thick pretexts in places. It’s all kinda like iraq invasion (or yugoslavia if they partition them). Not like saddam was particularly good dude. Leftists I feel should be opposed to it for the same reason. Liberals supporting ukraine though are completely full of shit.

        • comi [he/him]
          ·
          3 years ago

          Class war looks like civil war tho.

          • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
            ·
            3 years ago

            Not necessarily. WW2 was partially a class war. The eastern front was literally the fighting force of the bourgeoise vs. the worlds biggest proletarian base of power. That didn’t look like a civil war.

            US invading Cuba in the bay of pigs was class war, that didn’t look like a civil war.

            • comi [he/him]
              ·
              3 years ago

              At first it was defensive war, with following class war characteristics when they’ve purged aristocracy/bourgeoisie (which was later, just they’ve had such superior military control at the time, class war didn’t happen).

              Eh, bay of pigs is just imperialistic war. Or in that sense you can reclassify napoleonic wars as class wars of bourgeoisie versus aristocracy.

              • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
                ·
                3 years ago

                My point is that you can’t just principally abstain from all wars, declaring them to be inter-imperialist. You have to actually analyze them to determine the correct course. The correct course in WW1 was revolutionary defeatism. The correct course in WW2 for Soviet citizens was not “abstaining” or being principally pacifist

              • Frank [he/him, he/him]
                ·
                3 years ago

                From what I understand the Napoleonic Wars did have a strong class element throughout.

      • comi [he/him]
        ·
        edit-2
        3 years ago

        Kinda sorta, but not really. Russia has both economic levers, has/had significant population buy in in ukraine. They could have put thousands names on the darknet for being nazis, and let enterprising individuals take it. They could have stopped gas flow to europe, and told germany to figure it out with minsk - it would take 2 months for ukraine to yield to capital masters from the west.

        I’m not even going into more based directions of financing unions/antifa - it’s not like nazi problem arose organically, they were financed by oligarchs. However, that avenue is not possible for capitalist state.

    • Fartster [comrade/them]
      ·
      3 years ago

      Its not really comparable to Iraq invasion in any way except the fact that it is an invasion. The context and conditions are vastly different. You know this.

      • comi [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        they have wmd (security threat)

        they’ll join nato (security threat)

        Huh?

    • Cowboyitis69 [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      If Russia never grabbed Crimea and Donbas territories in 2014, Ukraine likely wouldn’t have provoked Russia, and this war likely would’ve never happened. Just because those regions were ethnic Russian doesn’t mean Russia had to grab them. They did it because they could, and it unleashed a whirlwind of shit. But some people here don’t want to admit that.