In a thread, a few days ago, perhaps a week or two in fact, there was a discussion about helping people in natural disasters, and when I said I wouldn't help someone with a swastika, flying a confederate flag, people surprisingly called me out on that, saying they became socialists to help people, and not to cause more misery and so on. The main argument was potentially turning an enemy into a friend, but there obviously was the "moral" argument of helping your neighbour. I didn't think much of it, and went on with my life.
However, a few days later, I listened to "It could happen here", and posted about it. The podcast is basically a frightening thought experiment about the eventuality of a second american civil war, and it made me doubt a few things I took for granted. It also makes me realize I'm not even able to feel as a morally decent person anymore. I keep de-humanizing people, be it billionaires, nazis, landlords or even libs, I have grown bitter, angry and jaded towards normies, I genuinely despise a good chunk of them, and a part of me would absolutely love to see them get what they deserve.
And I hate it. I have the feeling to be wrong, that it is wrong to want people to be hanged or to get the wall, but it has almost become a reflex at this point. To make things even more complicated, the podcast reminded me of something : I could've been one of these guys. I could've become a fascist, had things gone horribly wrong, which almost did happen. It reminds me that these guys are humans, just like me. Flawed, stupid, credulous, miserable but still human. So here's the fucking question : am I wrong for thinking violence is the only solution to save ourselves from the coming horror ? What do these people deserve should we come out on top ? Am I a horrible person for hating libs and normies with my guts, even more than I hate reactionaries ?
And yes, I know I'm a fucking edgelord, but I'm honest with it; and I genuinely wish to hear your thoughts on this, because I am sure as hell that I'm not the only one having doubts on the question of mercy.
Violence is a matter of survival, not aesthetic.
If you have a person with a swastika flag after a disaster, he’s waving it for a reason, not because he likes the aesthetic. He’ll be out there, with his fashy friends, like they did post-Katrina, shooting minorities. Giving him supplies means directly supplying that group.
Liberals tend to see violence as an aesthetic choice. It’s ugly, and should be avoided on moral grounds. This completely ignores that the choice isn’t between violence and non-violence, but between survival and not-survival.
Now, helping people out is a different question. If you can forge ties with people who aren’t vehemently opposed to everything you stand for, then that’s outstanding. If you think you can change people who are, that’s even better. It’s strategically sensible, and it’s generally good.
Note too, that violence as an ends in itself is fashy. There’s no need to resort to violence if you can persuade people in other ways.
Yeah on your last point, violence should never be a means to satisfy justice on its own, it just has no material gain in itself. I'm certain it has happened in the past, but it's not something to cheer for. I think Chapos constant ironyposting kinda muddies this sometimes.
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Normalising violence by joking about it and the like is helpful to a point—a revolution isn’t a dinner party, and neither is trying to survive a fascist surge. The sooner people get comfortable with those ideas, the better.
That said, there’s a big difference between joking about stochastic terrorism and joking about organised violence. The former is something we can carry out imminently and on our own, which makes it a hot potato for dangerous radicalisation.
The latter, on the other hand, is only really able to be done as a collective action, at which point these more serious discussions kick in. That makes it a lot ‘safer’ to have those jokes stick around.
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